Bezeq Ruter

Mon Apr 13 10:05:11 IDT 2015

Use this list for modems  and routers available in the free market:
http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm

In addition, I would like to second what E.S. Rosenberg said, I think you can still get this one: http://www.bezeq.co.il/media/Products/Wireless_Support/pdf/vdsl_1.pdf

They even have a guide in their site how to configure it as bridge:
http://www.bezeq.co.il/media/Products/Wireless_Support/pdf/vdsl_bridge.pdf

after you get this in place, a good, open wrt supported router is just easy as pie and very powerful. 

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> 1. Bezeq Ruter (Amichai Rotman)
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> 3. Re: Bezeq Ruter (E.S. Rosenberg)
> 4. Re: Bezeq Ruter (Geoff Shang)
> 5. Re: Bezeq Ruter (E.S. Rosenberg)
> 6. Re: Bezeq Ruter (Amos Shapira)
> 7. Re: Bezeq Ruter (Moish)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 22:17:12 +0300
> From: Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>
> To: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Bezeq Ruter
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> Hello all,
> 
> I have a Netgear 2200v2_64 router I got from Bezeq about two years ago.
> 
> I finished paying for it and I don't like the idea it uns Bezeq's firmware.
> 
> I want to flash an open source firmware on it, but I can't figure out where
> to get it. it seems this specific model is manufactured especially for
> Bezeq, since it isn't on the list of models on Netgear's site.
> 
> Can anyone point me to a guide to downloading and flashing an open source
> firmware suitable for this model or, on the other hand, recommend an
> inexpensive replacement that runs open source firmware?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Amichai
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 22:55:44 +0300
> From: "E.S. Rosenberg" <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>
> To: Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>
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> Have you tried here:
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/dgn2200
> 
> 2015-04-12 22:17 GMT+03:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have a Netgear 2200v2_64 router I got from Bezeq about two years ago.
>> 
>> I finished paying for it and I don't like the idea it uns Bezeq's firmware.
>> 
>> I want to flash an open source firmware on it, but I can't figure out where
>> to get it. it seems this specific model is manufactured especially for
>> Bezeq, since it isn't on the list of models on Netgear's site.
>> 
>> Can anyone point me to a guide to downloading and flashing an open source
>> firmware suitable for this model or, on the other hand, recommend an
>> inexpensive replacement that runs open source firmware?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Amichai
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 23:10:41 +0300
> From: "E.S. Rosenberg" <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>
> To: Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>
> Cc: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: Bezeq Ruter
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> v2 may not be supported...
> 
> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
> 
> 2015-04-12 22:55 GMT+03:00 E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>:
> 
>> Have you tried here:
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/dgn2200
>> 
>> 2015-04-12 22:17 GMT+03:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I have a Netgear 2200v2_64 router I got from Bezeq about two years ago.
>>> 
>>> I finished paying for it and I don't like the idea it uns Bezeq's firmware.
>>> 
>>> I want to flash an open source firmware on it, but I can't figure out where
>>> to get it. it seems this specific model is manufactured especially for
>>> Bezeq, since it isn't on the list of models on Netgear's site.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone point me to a guide to downloading and flashing an open source
>>> firmware suitable for this model or, on the other hand, recommend an
>>> inexpensive replacement that runs open source firmware?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Amichai
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 23:15:55 +0300 (IDT)
> From: Geoff Shang <geoff at QuiteLikely.com>
> To: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: Bezeq Ruter
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> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> 
>> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
>> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
>> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
>> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
> 
> Ha! I didn't know you could do this. Typical that I find out 6 weeks
> before I leave the country. :)
> 
> for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please tel more.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:18:15 +0300
> From: "E.S. Rosenberg" <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>
> To: Geoff Shang <geoff at quitelikely.com>
> Cc: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: Bezeq Ruter
> Message-ID:
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> 
> In addition to the "fancy" (read crappy) wireless routers that Bezeq
> will always try to offer you to lease/buy/get/whatever the latest fad
> is, they also have simple modems.
> Really these are bridge routers with one ethernet port and one DSL
> port, also running Linux, you can use them as router and create a DMZ
> between your wireless router and the bridge, though I don't recommend
> that because then you:
> - can't just drop in a replacement when they break down
> - are relying on the bridges' firmware for security on your DMZ
> 
> They have currently 2 models as far as I can tell:
> - (Rotal) RTA 1320+
> - D-Link DSL-25xx (newer, haven't seen very often)
> 
> Bezeq does not like giving these devices out most likely because it
> prevents them from having a Bezeq_free network at your address, the
> last time I had to replace my modem they told me that they actually
> repair them and aren't making/buying new ones (which makes sense for
> the rta1320 which is old but supports up to 24M).
> The fact that they are repairing does seem to be starting to lead to
> failures happing more often recently...
> It also prevents them from trouble shooting your network since the
> most they will have access to is the bridge whereas they generally
> have remote access to the wireless-routers (you often don't even get
> full root/admin on the router).
> 
> To me using these devices only has advantages:
> - cost less then the "fancy" modem/routers.
> - allows me full control over my network infrastructure.
> - no Bezeq network freeloading on my DSL connection
> - no Bezeq access to my home network
> - allows me to easily upgrade my wireless router if/when I want some
> newer technology/toy.
> 
> BTW: It is of course also possible to use a Bezeq wireless router
> together with your own wireless router either in a DMZ like setup or
> even as a bridge (though that takes some real effort), but that seems
> like a major overkill and a waste of money.....
> 
> HTH,
> Eliyahu - ?????
> 
> 2015-04-12 23:15 GMT+03:00 Geoff Shang <geoff at quitelikely.com>:
> 
>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
>>> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
>>> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
>>> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
>> 
>> Ha! I didn't know you could do this. Typical that I find out 6 weeks
>> before I leave the country. :)
>> 
>> for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please tel more.
>> 
>> Geoff.
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:29:07 +1000
> From: Amos Shapira <amos.shapira at gmail.com>
> To: "E.S. Rosenberg" <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>
> Cc: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: Bezeq Ruter
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> I wonder - do you have to get the modem from Bezeq? Can't you buy anything
> compatible on the free market?
> 
> On 13 April 2015 at 16:18, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
> 
>> In addition to the "fancy" (read crappy) wireless routers that Bezeq
>> will always try to offer you to lease/buy/get/whatever the latest fad
>> is, they also have simple modems.
>> Really these are bridge routers with one ethernet port and one DSL
>> port, also running Linux, you can use them as router and create a DMZ
>> between your wireless router and the bridge, though I don't recommend
>> that because then you:
>> - can't just drop in a replacement when they break down
>> - are relying on the bridges' firmware for security on your DMZ
>> 
>> They have currently 2 models as far as I can tell:
>> - (Rotal) RTA 1320+
>> - D-Link DSL-25xx (newer, haven't seen very often)
>> 
>> Bezeq does not like giving these devices out most likely because it
>> prevents them from having a Bezeq_free network at your address, the
>> last time I had to replace my modem they told me that they actually
>> repair them and aren't making/buying new ones (which makes sense for
>> the rta1320 which is old but supports up to 24M).
>> The fact that they are repairing does seem to be starting to lead to
>> failures happing more often recently...
>> It also prevents them from trouble shooting your network since the
>> most they will have access to is the bridge whereas they generally
>> have remote access to the wireless-routers (you often don't even get
>> full root/admin on the router).
>> 
>> To me using these devices only has advantages:
>> - cost less then the "fancy" modem/routers.
>> - allows me full control over my network infrastructure.
>> - no Bezeq network freeloading on my DSL connection
>> - no Bezeq access to my home network
>> - allows me to easily upgrade my wireless router if/when I want some
>> newer technology/toy.
>> 
>> BTW: It is of course also possible to use a Bezeq wireless router
>> together with your own wireless router either in a DMZ like setup or
>> even as a bridge (though that takes some real effort), but that seems
>> like a major overkill and a waste of money.....
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Eliyahu - ?????
>> 
>> 2015-04-12 23:15 GMT+03:00 Geoff Shang <geoff at quitelikely.com>:
>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
>>>> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
>>>> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
>>>> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ha! I didn't know you could do this. Typical that I find out 6 weeks
>>> before I leave the country. :)
>>> 
>>> for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please tel more.
>>> 
>>> Geoff.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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