From joshroden at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 01:57:21 2015
From: joshroden at gmail.com (Josh Roden)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:57:21 +0200
Subject: Installing gtk2 version 2.18 or above in Centos 5.11 i386
Message-ID: <CA+pv=q_VSPJUDzuVH43+R4=FbRvJW=zYvH63b4Ly=QbBpasF3A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
If possible, how could I install gtk2 version 2.18 on Centos 5.11 without
breaking all kinds of dependencies?
I have version 2.10.4 but it isn't good enough for installing Eclipse
mars and above. The version 2.18 is needed.
I would like to install it thru a repository and not tar.gz...
Thanks
Josh
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 09:47:06 2015
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:47:06 +0200
Subject: media center
Message-ID: <CAMUp3wkgCwaA3VJmp2AOqg25yvdu5+2aQXSOzFgYvZP5n6PD3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

up to about a year ago, for about 10 years, i used mythtv as my media
center / PVR
the last year or so, i just used HOT's PVR abilities, and they suck

I want to go back to using a proper Media Center / PVR,
However, many things have changed

first, many sources are from the internet, and i have children which
english is not their native language, so they need at least translation if
not dubbing.
second, i need to support multiple TVs and looking for a cheap and good
frontend
third, MYTHTV is old, not sure if supported very well, and hard to manage

I tried looking on the net and found a lot of information on many
alternatives which i do not know what to choose from and which hardware to
use

some people are using KODI (formerly XBMC).It can play movies and videos
and can stream, however to record TV it needs a backend (MYTHTV ? )

what hardware do i need for it to work good and stay supported (and cheap
as i need many)

what alternatives are there ?

I also have chromecast, what is it good for other than playing youtube and
mirroring your android phone on it

there is just too much confusing info on the net

can someone shed some light or make some order into the chaos ?

thanks,
erez.
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From efraim at flashner.co.il  Sun Nov  1 11:34:04 2015
From: efraim at flashner.co.il (Efraim Flashner)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:34:04 +0200
Subject: media center
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3wkgCwaA3VJmp2AOqg25yvdu5+2aQXSOzFgYvZP5n6PD3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3wkgCwaA3VJmp2AOqg25yvdu5+2aQXSOzFgYvZP5n6PD3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151101113404.758e9b1a@debian-netbook>

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:47:06 +0200
Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> up to about a year ago, for about 10 years, i used mythtv as my media
> center / PVR
> the last year or so, i just used HOT's PVR abilities, and they suck
> 
> I want to go back to using a proper Media Center / PVR,
> However, many things have changed
> 
> first, many sources are from the internet, and i have children which
> english is not their native language, so they need at least translation if
> not dubbing.
> second, i need to support multiple TVs and looking for a cheap and good
> frontend
> third, MYTHTV is old, not sure if supported very well, and hard to manage
> 
> I tried looking on the net and found a lot of information on many
> alternatives which i do not know what to choose from and which hardware to
> use
> 
> some people are using KODI (formerly XBMC).It can play movies and videos
> and can stream, however to record TV it needs a backend (MYTHTV ? )
> 
> what hardware do i need for it to work good and stay supported (and cheap
> as i need many)
> 
> what alternatives are there ?
> 
> I also have chromecast, what is it good for other than playing youtube and
> mirroring your android phone on it
> 
> there is just too much confusing info on the net
> 
> can someone shed some light or make some order into the chaos ?
> 
> thanks,
> erez.

I can answer about subtitles with kodi. I find it easier to read subtitles than to listen to dialog so I have mine setup so that if there isn't a subtitle file already for the tv show/movie it pauses the show ~1 second in and queries "the internets" for a subtitle file in my chosen language and lets me choose between the ones listed.

for chromecast, I haven't figured out how to change the default audio of a file. This sometimes leads to spanish audio or directors' commentary instead of the english audio from the movie.

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From amichai at iglu.org.il  Thu Nov  5 14:50:26 2015
From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:50:26 +0200
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?16fXldecINen15XXqNeQIC0g157XpNeS16kg15DXnteg15nXnSAvINen15XXkyDXpNeq?=
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Message-ID: <CAD_ZK66ZoAbHJDbWRp7BNZwPCKxHFpxy7C4dcGeCH7z2yazpHg@mail.gmail.com>

???? ?????,

??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ??????? ????? ????
????? ?? ????? Adobe ????...

???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????:

???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????
??????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? Adobe ????? ??????? ???
?????.

???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? Asus ?? ???? ????? i7 ?-8 ???? ?????? - ?? Windows
8.1.

????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?-Windows ??????
????????? ???? ??????? ??-Adobe.

????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????? (?? ???) ??????? ???
???? ???? ????? ???? ???' (GIMP, Blender, InkSkape ???') - ??? ????? ????
???? ?? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ???????
???????? ??????? (VM, WINE).

??????

????? ?????
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From ori at helicontech.co.il  Thu Nov  5 18:12:36 2015
From: ori at helicontech.co.il (Ori Idan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:12:36 +0200
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INen15XXnCDXp9eV16jXkCAtINee16TXktepINeQ157XoNeZ150gLyDXp9eV15Mg?=
 =?UTF-8?B?16TXqteV15cg15HXl9eZ16TXlA==?=
In-Reply-To: <CAD_ZK66ZoAbHJDbWRp7BNZwPCKxHFpxy7C4dcGeCH7z2yazpHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_ZK66ZoAbHJDbWRp7BNZwPCKxHFpxy7C4dcGeCH7z2yazpHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACyhTRGfp2enqBkwizezVMi6aBzaowRoo-JUS4P2KbgKcMJLLg@mail.gmail.com>

2015-11-05 14:50 GMT+02:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:

> ???? ?????,
>
> ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ??????? ????? ????
> ????? ?? ????? Adobe ????...
>
> ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????:
>
> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????
> ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? Adobe ????? ??????? ???
> ?????.
>
> ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? Asus ?? ???? ????? i7 ?-8 ???? ?????? - ?? Windows
> 8.1.
>
> ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?-Windows ??????
> ????????? ???? ??????? ??-Adobe.
>
> ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????? (?? ???) ??????? ???
> ???? ???? ????? ???? ???' (GIMP, Blender, InkSkape ???') - ??? ????? ????
> ???? ?? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ???????
> ???????? ??????? (VM, WINE).
>
> ??????
>
> ????? ?????
>

I will answer in English as there where many debates on language used in
linux-il mailing list...

I think this is a great idea, add to it SCRIBUS, desktop publishing that
can act as a replacement to inDesign (although currently does not read
inDesign files).
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From amichai at iglu.org.il  Thu Nov  5 18:30:37 2015
From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:30:37 +0200
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INen15XXnCDXp9eV16jXkCAtINee16TXktepINeQ157XoNeZ150gLyDXp9eV15Mg?=
 =?UTF-8?B?16TXqteV15cg15HXl9eZ16TXlA==?=
In-Reply-To: <CACyhTRGfp2enqBkwizezVMi6aBzaowRoo-JUS4P2KbgKcMJLLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_ZK66ZoAbHJDbWRp7BNZwPCKxHFpxy7C4dcGeCH7z2yazpHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyhTRGfp2enqBkwizezVMi6aBzaowRoo-JUS4P2KbgKcMJLLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_ZK666rGJmzciRe1V2O-Es5nZtZW9tw94M40fJfaenKQX1HA@mail.gmail.com>

Will you consider participating in such a meet, as I suggested?

Amichai
On Nov 5, 2015 6:13 PM, "Ori Idan" <ori at helicontech.co.il> wrote:

>
> 2015-11-05 14:50 GMT+02:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:
>
>> ???? ?????,
>>
>> ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ??????? ?????
>> ???? ????? ?? ????? Adobe ????...
>>
>> ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????:
>>
>> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????
>> ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? Adobe ????? ??????? ???
>> ?????.
>>
>> ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? Asus ?? ???? ????? i7 ?-8 ???? ?????? - ??
>> Windows 8.1.
>>
>> ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?-Windows ??????
>> ????????? ???? ??????? ??-Adobe.
>>
>> ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????? (?? ???) ??????? ???
>> ???? ???? ????? ???? ???' (GIMP, Blender, InkSkape ???') - ??? ????? ????
>> ???? ?? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ???????
>> ???????? ??????? (VM, WINE).
>>
>> ??????
>>
>> ????? ?????
>>
>
> I will answer in English as there where many debates on language used in
> linux-il mailing list...
>
> I think this is a great idea, add to it SCRIBUS, desktop publishing that
> can act as a replacement to inDesign (although currently does not read
> inDesign files).
>
>
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From ori at helicontech.co.il  Thu Nov  5 18:46:10 2015
From: ori at helicontech.co.il (Ori Idan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:46:10 +0200
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INen15XXnCDXp9eV16jXkCAtINee16TXktepINeQ157XoNeZ150gLyDXp9eV15Mg?=
 =?UTF-8?B?16TXqteV15cg15HXl9eZ16TXlA==?=
In-Reply-To: <CAD_ZK666rGJmzciRe1V2O-Es5nZtZW9tw94M40fJfaenKQX1HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_ZK66ZoAbHJDbWRp7BNZwPCKxHFpxy7C4dcGeCH7z2yazpHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyhTRGfp2enqBkwizezVMi6aBzaowRoo-JUS4P2KbgKcMJLLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD_ZK666rGJmzciRe1V2O-Es5nZtZW9tw94M40fJfaenKQX1HA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACyhTRH48XGaF1LQ+awUgm_yA=tA+B2s+tr0CoicbuK-9krLBg@mail.gmail.com>

2015-11-05 18:30 GMT+02:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:

> Will you consider participating in such a meet, as I suggested?
>
Of course, I'd be happy to participate.


> Amichai
> On Nov 5, 2015 6:13 PM, "Ori Idan" <ori at helicontech.co.il> wrote:
>
>>
>> 2015-11-05 14:50 GMT+02:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:
>>
>>> ???? ?????,
>>>
>>> ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ??????? ?????
>>> ???? ????? ?? ????? Adobe ????...
>>>
>>> ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????:
>>>
>>> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????
>>> ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? Adobe ????? ??????? ???
>>> ?????.
>>>
>>> ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? Asus ?? ???? ????? i7 ?-8 ???? ?????? - ??
>>> Windows 8.1.
>>>
>>> ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?-Windows ??????
>>> ????????? ???? ??????? ??-Adobe.
>>>
>>> ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????? (?? ???) ???????
>>> ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???' (GIMP, Blender, InkSkape ???') - ??? ?????
>>> ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????, ????? ?????? ??????
>>> ??????? ???????? ??????? (VM, WINE).
>>>
>>> ??????
>>>
>>> ????? ?????
>>>
>>
>> I will answer in English as there where many debates on language used in
>> linux-il mailing list...
>>
>> I think this is a great idea, add to it SCRIBUS, desktop publishing that
>> can act as a replacement to inDesign (although currently does not read
>> inDesign files).
>>
>>
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From dov.grobgeld at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 20:50:29 2015
From: dov.grobgeld at gmail.com (Dov Grobgeld)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:50:29 +0200
Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6INen15XXnCDXp9eV16jXkCAtINee16TXktepINeQ157XoNeZ150gLyDXp9eV15Mg?=
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In-Reply-To: <CACyhTRH48XGaF1LQ+awUgm_yA=tA+B2s+tr0CoicbuK-9krLBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_ZK66ZoAbHJDbWRp7BNZwPCKxHFpxy7C4dcGeCH7z2yazpHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyhTRGfp2enqBkwizezVMi6aBzaowRoo-JUS4P2KbgKcMJLLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD_ZK666rGJmzciRe1V2O-Es5nZtZW9tw94M40fJfaenKQX1HA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyhTRH48XGaF1LQ+awUgm_yA=tA+B2s+tr0CoicbuK-9krLBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++fsGE8vLz_N=fsOsToBvWmVar04s7w9gLwhU1JQNCtDZF12w@mail.gmail.com>

If the meeting is closer to Rehovot (Tel-Aviv?) I might consider
participating as well. I know Inkscape and gimp quite well, as well as svg
intrinsics. It might also be fun to discuss programmatic artistic programs
like https://processing.org/ or a python replacemnt like gizeh, see:
http://zulko.github.io/blog/2014/09/20/vector-animations-with-python/ . On
the other hand, the subset of "artists" whos minds are open to programming,
might be too small. :-)

Regards,
Dov

2015-11-05 18:46 GMT+02:00 Ori Idan <ori at helicontech.co.il>:

>
>
> 2015-11-05 18:30 GMT+02:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:
>
>> Will you consider participating in such a meet, as I suggested?
>>
> Of course, I'd be happy to participate.
>
>
>> Amichai
>> On Nov 5, 2015 6:13 PM, "Ori Idan" <ori at helicontech.co.il> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 2015-11-05 14:50 GMT+02:00 Amichai Rotman <amichai at iglu.org.il>:
>>>
>>>> ???? ?????,
>>>>
>>>> ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????. ????? ??????? ?????
>>>> ???? ????? ?? ????? Adobe ????...
>>>>
>>>> ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????:
>>>>
>>>> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????
>>>> ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? Adobe ????? ??????? ???
>>>> ?????.
>>>>
>>>> ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? Asus ?? ???? ????? i7 ?-8 ???? ?????? - ??
>>>> Windows 8.1.
>>>>
>>>> ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?-Windows ??????
>>>> ????????? ???? ??????? ??-Adobe.
>>>>
>>>> ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????? (?? ???) ???????
>>>> ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???' (GIMP, Blender, InkSkape ???') - ??? ?????
>>>> ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????, ????? ?????? ??????
>>>> ??????? ???????? ??????? (VM, WINE).
>>>>
>>>> ??????
>>>>
>>>> ????? ?????
>>>>
>>>
>>> I will answer in English as there where many debates on language used in
>>> linux-il mailing list...
>>>
>>> I think this is a great idea, add to it SCRIBUS, desktop publishing that
>>> can act as a replacement to inDesign (although currently does not read
>>> inDesign files).
>>>
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From w1 at zak.co.il  Wed Nov 11 22:27:26 2015
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:27:26 +0200
Subject: A nice alternative to software versions
Message-ID: <1447273646.4419.11.camel@zak.co.il>

The following blog article (I am using the Wayback link because the
original article seems to have been overwritten by other stuff) proposes
specifying software compatibility by means of contracts rather than by
means of software versions:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905145522/http://hintjens.com/blog:85

As I was reading the article, I thought that the Debian virtual package
mechanism can be co-opted for specifying contracts rather than versions.
This is by having a virtual package name correspond to each contract.

This way, a package advertises that it implements a contract by
declaring that it "provides" the corresponding virtual package. A
package declares that it requires an implementation of a contract by
"requiring" the corresponding virtual package.

--- Omer



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From softkol at netvision.net.il  Fri Nov 13 11:58:42 2015
From: softkol at netvision.net.il (Softkol)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:58:42 +0200
Subject: Converting from a program from win to Mac /so
Message-ID: <18E773A3-8A28-4AE9-9693-51BDC9D81460@netvision.net.il>

Can anyone recommend a good method for moving a MS exe to Mac/is 10 and above.
Not an emulation solution please but rather a native Mac/OS solution

Israel Shikler
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Fri Nov 13 12:06:37 2015
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:06:37 +0200
Subject: Converting from a program from win to Mac /so
In-Reply-To: <18E773A3-8A28-4AE9-9693-51BDC9D81460@netvision.net.il>
References: <18E773A3-8A28-4AE9-9693-51BDC9D81460@netvision.net.il>
Message-ID: <CAHTx_BPfuWWDXyt9rj5WSWWDOZa+98Ti5wD=e-5BuNPywu+Y+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Wine (winehq.org)

2015-11-13 11:58 GMT+02:00 Softkol <softkol at netvision.net.il>:
> Can anyone recommend a good method for moving a MS exe to Mac/is 10 and
> above.
> Not an emulation solution please but rather a native Mac/OS solution
>
> Israel Shikler
>
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 10:18:25 2015
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:18:25 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
Message-ID: <CAMUp3w=-U019VFApHgsz3XE7C5pdr1APaMAqxcF+RbfWSwFFdA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) . however, when
i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will again need to
supply my login, password, etc

What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and reopen it
tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page not from
that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it will not be
able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only from the
sandbox.

the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
different browser than the rest of the pages.

however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and i do not
have so many browsers

is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to access it
again after reopening the browser ?
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From rabin at rabin.io  Sun Nov 15 10:26:18 2015
From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=-U019VFApHgsz3XE7C5pdr1APaMAqxcF+RbfWSwFFdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=-U019VFApHgsz3XE7C5pdr1APaMAqxcF+RbfWSwFFdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABKuJEC1eJn=qLnh2TWrt+kmu1MQJ_0mPsRrbeB1mSmRMku2ug@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see here
<http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension>
)
useful for sites which need flash.

I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point them
directly in the config file
and each new Chrome run will download them.



--
Rabin

On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) . however,
> when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will again
> need to supply my login, password, etc
>
> What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and reopen it
> tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page not from
> that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it will not be
> able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only from the
> sandbox.
>
> the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
> different browser than the rest of the pages.
>
> however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and i do
> not have so many browsers
>
> is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to access it
> again after reopening the browser ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>
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From efraim at flashner.co.il  Sun Nov 15 10:36:18 2015
From: efraim at flashner.co.il (Efraim Flashner)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:36:18 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
In-Reply-To: <CABKuJEC1eJn=qLnh2TWrt+kmu1MQJ_0mPsRrbeB1mSmRMku2ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=-U019VFApHgsz3XE7C5pdr1APaMAqxcF+RbfWSwFFdA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20151115103618.2f8345ef@debian-netbook>

I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does keep them all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with tor to pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going to make a difference in relation to your question.


On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:

> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see here
> <http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension>
> )
> useful for sites which need flash.
> 
> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point them
> directly in the config file
> and each new Chrome run will download them.
> 
> --
> Rabin
> 
> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello
> >
> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) . however,
> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will again
> > need to supply my login, password, etc
> >
> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and reopen it
> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page not from
> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it will not be
> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only from the
> > sandbox.
> >
> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
> >
> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and i do
> > not have so many browsers
> >
> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to access it
> > again after reopening the browser ?
> >

-- 
Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:19:00 2015
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:19:00 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
In-Reply-To: <CAHTx_BPUPwguxnnKBwWHqyrUGxAB+XPutO+1a_o9uLR5419LRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=-U019VFApHgsz3XE7C5pdr1APaMAqxcF+RbfWSwFFdA@mail.gmail.com>
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you are correct

however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile - plugins,
master password etc

would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings, on
different tabs on same window ...

btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if you open
multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share the same
cookies.
the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies are
deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by starting
> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox --profile)
>
> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>:
> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the different
> ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does keep them all from
> following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with tor to pass my
> browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going to make a
> difference in relation to your question.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see here
> >> <
> http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension
> >
> >> )
> >> useful for sites which need flash.
> >>
> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point them
> >> directly in the config file
> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rabin
> >>
> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello
> >> >
> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) . however,
> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will
> again
> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
> >> >
> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and reopen it
> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page not
> from
> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it will
> not be
> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only from
> the
> >> > sandbox.
> >> >
> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
> >> >
> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and i
> do
> >> > not have so many browsers
> >> >
> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to access
> it
> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
> >> >
> >
> > --
> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
> unencrypted
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-il mailing list
> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> >
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:27:16 2015
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:27:16 +0200
Subject: portable encypted filesystem
Message-ID: <CAMUp3w=J+bx_Lg+XLs4dkhusFNggiwhD2Rbe3CALQkLKx+Zh7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

It is very nice to hold some data on the cloud accessible from everywhere
however if i do not want the cloud to have access to it, it requires
encryption

i could mount gdrive, dropbox or other cloud fs localy
and mount ecryptfs on it so i have transparent encryption

my only problem is that it works on linux only

does anyone knows a way of having a portable transparent encryption
which will support linux, and windows ?
(would be nice if it will also support android (even if  i can not insmod)
and ios)
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From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:51:01 2015
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:51:01 +1100
Subject: Any Chrome extension developers around here?
Message-ID: <CAF9n_WXDr1q931A2fXYQNn8iai98jAm0miQ602mYHnzbrQocmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a itch with Chrome I'd like to scratch but don't have time to learn
how to program a Chrome extension.

Does anyone here know how to program Chrome extensions and is interested in
a small project?

It's about controlling which of multiple parallel logged in Chrome users
(think - workplace Google Apps login in paralel to a personal Google login)
will be used when opening a link from another app (in my case - on OSX)
based on URL matching.

Thanks.

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From rabin at rabin.io  Tue Nov 17 12:33:36 2015
From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:33:36 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=J=EXs7n9Rkx5WV1j19Y9GEzqxoRWwGBeNOOFdU_K5Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=-U019VFApHgsz3XE7C5pdr1APaMAqxcF+RbfWSwFFdA@mail.gmail.com>
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That's right, Incognito/Privet Browsing mode share the same session.
this is why you need to create a new profile for each case.

Chrome & Firefox can be configure to run with pre-installed addons,
but you may need to configure them if needed.
but there some extension which allow you to export there settings (so maybe
you can automate the import ?).

--
Rabin

On 17 November 2015 at 11:19, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> you are correct
>
> however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile - plugins,
> master password etc
>
> would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings, on
> different tabs on same window ...
>
> btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if you open
> multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share the same
> cookies.
> the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies are
> deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
>
>> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by starting
>> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox --profile)
>>
>> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>:
>> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the
>> different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does keep them
>> all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with tor to
>> pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going to make a
>> difference in relation to your question.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
>> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see here
>> >> <
>> http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension
>> >
>> >> )
>> >> useful for sites which need flash.
>> >>
>> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point
>> them
>> >> directly in the config file
>> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Rabin
>> >>
>> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hello
>> >> >
>> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) .
>> however,
>> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will
>> again
>> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
>> >> >
>> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and reopen
>> it
>> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page not
>> from
>> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it will
>> not be
>> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only from
>> the
>> >> > sandbox.
>> >> >
>> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
>> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
>> >> >
>> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and i
>> do
>> >> > not have so many browsers
>> >> >
>> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to
>> access it
>> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
>> >> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
>> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
>> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
>> unencrypted
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Linux-il mailing list
>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>> >
>>
>
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From rabin at rabin.io  Tue Nov 17 12:35:12 2015
From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:35:12 +0200
Subject: portable encypted filesystem
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=J+bx_Lg+XLs4dkhusFNggiwhD2Rbe3CALQkLKx+Zh7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=J+bx_Lg+XLs4dkhusFNggiwhD2Rbe3CALQkLKx+Zh7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABKuJEB7R=2qvv0tFEZMKqTt7V-JUvv1y_CNQ=9t90ZzRhXfXg@mail.gmail.com>

TrueCrypt ?

--
Rabin

On 17 November 2015 at 11:27, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> It is very nice to hold some data on the cloud accessible from everywhere
> however if i do not want the cloud to have access to it, it requires
> encryption
>
> i could mount gdrive, dropbox or other cloud fs localy
> and mount ecryptfs on it so i have transparent encryption
>
> my only problem is that it works on linux only
>
> does anyone knows a way of having a portable transparent encryption
> which will support linux, and windows ?
> (would be nice if it will also support android (even if  i can not insmod)
> and ios)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 12:51:36 2015
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:51:36 +0200
Subject: portable encypted filesystem
In-Reply-To: <CABKuJEB7R=2qvv0tFEZMKqTt7V-JUvv1y_CNQ=9t90ZzRhXfXg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:

> TrueCrypt ?
>
just reading about it ;-)
however it is unmaintained (should i use veracrypt ? no audit done on it,)
and i do not need all this functionality

what i liked about ecryptfs is that it is the default ubuntu encryption
(which raise my trust in it), and that it encrypts file by file rather than
volume (which better fits to running it over dropbox or gdrive)

>
> --
> Rabin
>
> On 17 November 2015 at 11:27, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> It is very nice to hold some data on the cloud accessible from everywhere
>> however if i do not want the cloud to have access to it, it requires
>> encryption
>>
>> i could mount gdrive, dropbox or other cloud fs localy
>> and mount ecryptfs on it so i have transparent encryption
>>
>> my only problem is that it works on linux only
>>
>> does anyone knows a way of having a portable transparent encryption
>> which will support linux, and windows ?
>> (would be nice if it will also support android (even if  i can not
>> insmod) and ios)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>>
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 12:52:13 2015
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:52:13 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:

> That's right, Incognito/Privet Browsing mode share the same session.
> this is why you need to create a new profile for each case.
>
> Chrome & Firefox can be configure to run with pre-installed addons,
> but you may need to configure them if needed.
> but there some extension which allow you to export there settings (so
> maybe you can automate the import ?).
>
do you know which ?

>
> --
> Rabin
>
> On 17 November 2015 at 11:19, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> you are correct
>>
>> however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile - plugins,
>> master password etc
>>
>> would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings, on
>> different tabs on same window ...
>>
>> btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if you
>> open multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share the same
>> cookies.
>> the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies are
>> deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
>>
>>> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by starting
>>> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox --profile)
>>>
>>> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>:
>>> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the
>>> different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does keep them
>>> all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with tor to
>>> pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going to make a
>>> difference in relation to your question.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
>>> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see here
>>> >> <
>>> http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension
>>> >
>>> >> )
>>> >> useful for sites which need flash.
>>> >>
>>> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point
>>> them
>>> >> directly in the config file
>>> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Rabin
>>> >>
>>> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hello
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) .
>>> however,
>>> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will
>>> again
>>> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and reopen
>>> it
>>> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page
>>> not from
>>> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it
>>> will not be
>>> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only from
>>> the
>>> >> > sandbox.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
>>> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and
>>> i do
>>> >> > not have so many browsers
>>> >> >
>>> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to
>>> access it
>>> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
>>> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
>>> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
>>> unencrypted
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Linux-il mailing list
>>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From efraim at flashner.co.il  Tue Nov 17 13:04:36 2015
From: efraim at flashner.co.il (Efraim Flashner)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:04:36 +0200
Subject: portable encypted filesystem
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git-annex? I know there's a Windows port but I've never set it up, and I've used it before successfully on android. Everything is encrypted on the backends using gpg and setup is pretty easy.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:51:36 +0200
Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
> 
> > TrueCrypt ?
> >
> just reading about it ;-)
> however it is unmaintained (should i use veracrypt ? no audit done on it,)
> and i do not need all this functionality

I believe truecrypt has some CVEs filed against it this year.

> 
> what i liked about ecryptfs is that it is the default ubuntu encryption
> (which raise my trust in it), and that it encrypts file by file rather than
> volume (which better fits to running it over dropbox or gdrive)
> 
> >
> > --
> > Rabin
> >
> > On 17 November 2015 at 11:27, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> It is very nice to hold some data on the cloud accessible from everywhere
> >> however if i do not want the cloud to have access to it, it requires
> >> encryption
> >>
> >> i could mount gdrive, dropbox or other cloud fs localy
> >> and mount ecryptfs on it so i have transparent encryption
> >>
> >> my only problem is that it works on linux only
> >>
> >> does anyone knows a way of having a portable transparent encryption
> >> which will support linux, and windows ?
> >> (would be nice if it will also support android (even if  i can not
> >> insmod) and ios)
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Linux-il mailing list
> >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> >>
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From rabin at rabin.io  Tue Nov 17 14:19:39 2015
From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:19:39 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
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In my case for each new Chrome session I install `ublock origin` , which
allow you to backup your setting to a file.
but you may find where the plugin save it configuration and re-apply them
after chrome start.

I also now about `proxy switchysharp` which allow you to export it
configurations.



--
Rabin

On 17 November 2015 at 12:52, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>
> wrote:
>
>> That's right, Incognito/Privet Browsing mode share the same session.
>> this is why you need to create a new profile for each case.
>>
>> Chrome & Firefox can be configure to run with pre-installed addons,
>> but you may need to configure them if needed.
>> but there some extension which allow you to export there settings (so
>> maybe you can automate the import ?).
>>
> do you know which ?
>
>>
>> --
>> Rabin
>>
>> On 17 November 2015 at 11:19, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> you are correct
>>>
>>> however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile - plugins,
>>> master password etc
>>>
>>> would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings, on
>>> different tabs on same window ...
>>>
>>> btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if you
>>> open multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share the same
>>> cookies.
>>> the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies are
>>> deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by starting
>>>> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox --profile)
>>>>
>>>> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>:
>>>> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the
>>>> different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does keep them
>>>> all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with tor to
>>>> pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going to make a
>>>> difference in relation to your question.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
>>>> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see
>>>> here
>>>> >> <
>>>> http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension
>>>> >
>>>> >> )
>>>> >> useful for sites which need flash.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point
>>>> them
>>>> >> directly in the config file
>>>> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Rabin
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Hello
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) .
>>>> however,
>>>> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will
>>>> again
>>>> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and
>>>> reopen it
>>>> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page
>>>> not from
>>>> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it
>>>> will not be
>>>> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only
>>>> from the
>>>> >> > sandbox.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
>>>> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and
>>>> i do
>>>> >> > not have so many browsers
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to
>>>> access it
>>>> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
>>>> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
>>>> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
>>>> unencrypted
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Linux-il mailing list
>>>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From rabin at rabin.io  Tue Nov 17 14:32:22 2015
From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:32:22 +0200
Subject: portable encypted filesystem
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3wko7yhjyws1g98x2jG-xPb0pPcKiMK4KrfCkE_u9-4oHg@mail.gmail.com>
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VeraCrypt is fork which continue the TrueCrypt legacy,
TrueCrypt had some audit (crowd source founded) on the encryption part
(algorithm and stuff), the boot loader,  and the windows kernel driver
(IIRC).

they found few  vulnerabilities at first (3 I think), but nothing critical,
and they were patched in VeraCrypt.

next was a bug in the windows driver which allowed a user/process to gain
SYSTEM privileges.
which also was patched.





--
Rabin

On 17 November 2015 at 12:51, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>
> wrote:
>
>> TrueCrypt ?
>>
> just reading about it ;-)
> however it is unmaintained (should i use veracrypt ? no audit done on it,)
> and i do not need all this functionality
>
> what i liked about ecryptfs is that it is the default ubuntu encryption
> (which raise my trust in it), and that it encrypts file by file rather than
> volume (which better fits to running it over dropbox or gdrive)
>
>>
>> --
>> Rabin
>>
>> On 17 November 2015 at 11:27, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> It is very nice to hold some data on the cloud accessible from everywhere
>>> however if i do not want the cloud to have access to it, it requires
>>> encryption
>>>
>>> i could mount gdrive, dropbox or other cloud fs localy
>>> and mount ecryptfs on it so i have transparent encryption
>>>
>>> my only problem is that it works on linux only
>>>
>>> does anyone knows a way of having a portable transparent encryption
>>> which will support linux, and windows ?
>>> (would be nice if it will also support android (even if  i can not
>>> insmod) and ios)
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From ronys at gmx.net  Tue Nov 17 14:12:52 2015
From: ronys at gmx.net (ronys)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:12:52 +0000
Subject: portable encypted filesystem
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https://www.boxcryptor.com

Note that they have a freemium business model. The free version should be
good enough for simple stuff.

On ??? ??, 17 ????? 2015 at 11:27 Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> It is very nice to hold some data on the cloud accessible from everywhere
> however if i do not want the cloud to have access to it, it requires
> encryption
>
> i could mount gdrive, dropbox or other cloud fs localy
> and mount ecryptfs on it so i have transparent encryption
>
> my only problem is that it works on linux only
>
> does anyone knows a way of having a portable transparent encryption
> which will support linux, and windows ?
> (would be nice if it will also support android (even if  i can not insmod)
> and ios)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Tue Nov 17 22:46:30 2015
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:46:30 +0200
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
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BTW The plugins/addons/language preferences you use and advertise to
the website actually help identify you too... depending on how
standard or non-standard your settings are just your browser agent and
http headers may be enough of a fingerprint....

2015-11-17 14:19 GMT+02:00 Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>:
> In my case for each new Chrome session I install `ublock origin` , which
> allow you to backup your setting to a file.
> but you may find where the plugin save it configuration and re-apply them
> after chrome start.
>
> I also now about `proxy switchysharp` which allow you to export it
> configurations.
>
>
>
> --
> Rabin
>
> On 17 November 2015 at 12:52, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's right, Incognito/Privet Browsing mode share the same session.
>>> this is why you need to create a new profile for each case.
>>>
>>> Chrome & Firefox can be configure to run with pre-installed addons,
>>> but you may need to configure them if needed.
>>> but there some extension which allow you to export there settings (so
>>> maybe you can automate the import ?).
>>
>> do you know which ?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rabin
>>>
>>> On 17 November 2015 at 11:19, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you are correct
>>>>
>>>> however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile - plugins,
>>>> master password etc
>>>>
>>>> would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings, on
>>>> different tabs on same window ...
>>>>
>>>> btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if you
>>>> open multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share the same
>>>> cookies.
>>>> the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies are
>>>> deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by starting
>>>>> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox --profile)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>:
>>>>> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the
>>>>> > different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does keep them
>>>>> > all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with tor to
>>>>> > pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going to make a
>>>>> > difference in relation to your question.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
>>>>> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see
>>>>> >> here
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension>
>>>>> >> )
>>>>> >> useful for sites which need flash.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just point
>>>>> >> them
>>>>> >> directly in the config file
>>>>> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Rabin
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Hello
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) .
>>>>> >> > however,
>>>>> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i will
>>>>> >> > again
>>>>> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and
>>>>> >> > reopen it
>>>>> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page
>>>>> >> > not from
>>>>> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it
>>>>> >> > will not be
>>>>> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only
>>>>> >> > from the
>>>>> >> > sandbox.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook from a
>>>>> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.) and
>>>>> >> > i do
>>>>> >> > not have so many browsers
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to
>>>>> >> > access it
>>>>> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
>>>>> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
>>>>> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
>>>>> > unencrypted
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Linux-il mailing list
>>>>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 04:07:12 2015
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:07:12 +1100
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
In-Reply-To: <CAHTx_BO19pLUFuXYa7H658pHh8eBpZEqnZ38Mo-p5ETPZccVvA@mail.gmail.com>
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Tell me about it :)
I used to work for an Australian startup which makes money from just doing
this (and a few other tricks) - threatmetrix.com

On 18 November 2015 at 07:46, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>
wrote:

> BTW The plugins/addons/language preferences you use and advertise to
> the website actually help identify you too... depending on how
> standard or non-standard your settings are just your browser agent and
> http headers may be enough of a fingerprint....
>
> 2015-11-17 14:19 GMT+02:00 Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>:
> > In my case for each new Chrome session I install `ublock origin` , which
> > allow you to backup your setting to a file.
> > but you may find where the plugin save it configuration and re-apply them
> > after chrome start.
> >
> > I also now about `proxy switchysharp` which allow you to export it
> > configurations.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rabin
> >
> > On 17 November 2015 at 12:52, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's right, Incognito/Privet Browsing mode share the same session.
> >>> this is why you need to create a new profile for each case.
> >>>
> >>> Chrome & Firefox can be configure to run with pre-installed addons,
> >>> but you may need to configure them if needed.
> >>> but there some extension which allow you to export there settings (so
> >>> maybe you can automate the import ?).
> >>
> >> do you know which ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rabin
> >>>
> >>> On 17 November 2015 at 11:19, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> you are correct
> >>>>
> >>>> however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile -
> plugins,
> >>>> master password etc
> >>>>
> >>>> would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings, on
> >>>> different tabs on same window ...
> >>>>
> >>>> btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if you
> >>>> open multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share the
> same
> >>>> cookies.
> >>>> the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies
> are
> >>>> deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by starting
> >>>>> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox
> --profile)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>:
> >>>>> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the
> >>>>> > different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but does
> keep them
> >>>>> > all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy with
> tor to
> >>>>> > pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going
> to make a
> >>>>> > difference in relation to your question.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
> >>>>> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time. (see
> >>>>> >> here
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> <
> http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension
> >
> >>>>> >> )
> >>>>> >> useful for sites which need flash.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just
> point
> >>>>> >> them
> >>>>> >> directly in the config file
> >>>>> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> --
> >>>>> >> Rabin
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > Hello
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) .
> >>>>> >> > however,
> >>>>> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i
> will
> >>>>> >> > again
> >>>>> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and
> >>>>> >> > reopen it
> >>>>> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web page
> >>>>> >> > not from
> >>>>> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook, it
> >>>>> >> > will not be
> >>>>> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only
> >>>>> >> > from the
> >>>>> >> > sandbox.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook
> from a
> >>>>> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter etc.)
> and
> >>>>> >> > i do
> >>>>> >> > not have so many browsers
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to
> >>>>> >> > access it
> >>>>> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > --
> >>>>> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
> >>>>> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
> >>>>> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
> >>>>> > unencrypted
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>>> > Linux-il mailing list
> >>>>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> >>>>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> >>>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 13:31:51 2015
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:31:51 +1100
Subject: persistent private browsing ?
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Thanks.

As far as I know (I left this company almost four years ago), this is a
subset of the metrics they collect.

On 18 November 2015 at 21:49, Yedidyah Bar David <didi at bardavid.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Amos Shapira <amos.shapira at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tell me about it :)
>> I used to work for an Australian startup which makes money from just
>> doing this (and a few other tricks) - threatmetrix.com
>>
>
> See also panopticlick.eff.org if interested.
>
>
>>
>> On 18 November 2015 at 07:46, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW The plugins/addons/language preferences you use and advertise to
>>> the website actually help identify you too... depending on how
>>> standard or non-standard your settings are just your browser agent and
>>> http headers may be enough of a fingerprint....
>>>
>>> 2015-11-17 14:19 GMT+02:00 Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>:
>>> > In my case for each new Chrome session I install `ublock origin` ,
>>> which
>>> > allow you to backup your setting to a file.
>>> > but you may find where the plugin save it configuration and re-apply
>>> them
>>> > after chrome start.
>>> >
>>> > I also now about `proxy switchysharp` which allow you to export it
>>> > configurations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Rabin
>>> >
>>> > On 17 November 2015 at 12:52, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That's right, Incognito/Privet Browsing mode share the same session.
>>> >>> this is why you need to create a new profile for each case.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chrome & Firefox can be configure to run with pre-installed addons,
>>> >>> but you may need to configure them if needed.
>>> >>> but there some extension which allow you to export there settings (so
>>> >>> maybe you can automate the import ?).
>>> >>
>>> >> do you know which ?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Rabin
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 17 November 2015 at 11:19, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> you are correct
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> however, it is  needed to re-configire each and every profile -
>>> plugins,
>>> >>>> master password etc
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> would be nice to have different profiles with some common settings,
>>> on
>>> >>>> different tabs on same window ...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> btw, i found that even 'private browsing' is not so private as if
>>> you
>>> >>>> open multiple tabs or windows of private browsing, they all share
>>> the same
>>> >>>> cookies.
>>> >>>> the only thing different about private browsing is that the cookies
>>> are
>>> >>>> deleted when all the private browsing sessions end.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr at g.jct.ac.il>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> If I'm not mistaken you should be able to accomplish this by
>>> starting
>>> >>>>> Firefox with a different profile.... (firefox -P or firefox
>>> --profile)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2015-11-15 10:36 GMT+02:00 Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il
>>> >:
>>> >>>>> > I'm using privacy badger to block the following aspects of the
>>> >>>>> > different ads, including facebook. Doesn't sandbox them, but
>>> does keep them
>>> >>>>> > all from following me around the web.  I'm also using privoxy
>>> with tor to
>>> >>>>> > pass my browser traffic through tor, but that's not really going
>>> to make a
>>> >>>>> > difference in relation to your question.
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:26:18 +0200
>>> >>>>> > Rabin Yasharzadehe <rabin at rabin.io> wrote:
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> >> I'm using chrome and launch it with a new DATADIR each time.
>>> (see
>>> >>>>> >> here
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> <
>>> http://blog.rabin.io/linux/start-chrome-temp-profile-with-preinstalled-extension
>>> >
>>> >>>>> >> )
>>> >>>>> >> useful for sites which need flash.
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> I was having problems downloading the CRX files so now i just
>>> point
>>> >>>>> >> them
>>> >>>>> >> directly in the config file
>>> >>>>> >> and each new Chrome run will download them.
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> --
>>> >>>>> >> Rabin
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> On 15 November 2015 at 10:18, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> > Hello
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > Today browsers support Private Browsing mode (e.g. sandbox) .
>>> >>>>> >> > however,
>>> >>>>> >> > when i close that window, all it's data is lost, next time i
>>> will
>>> >>>>> >> > again
>>> >>>>> >> > need to supply my login, password, etc
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > What i want, is a way to sandbox a site (e.g. facebook), and
>>> >>>>> >> > reopen it
>>> >>>>> >> > tomorrow in the same sandbox. i.e. when i am going to a web
>>> page
>>> >>>>> >> > not from
>>> >>>>> >> > that sandbox, if that web page includes pages from facebook,
>>> it
>>> >>>>> >> > will not be
>>> >>>>> >> > able to track my facebook identity as i login to facebook only
>>> >>>>> >> > from the
>>> >>>>> >> > sandbox.
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > the only way i can do it right now is by accessing facebook
>>> from a
>>> >>>>> >> > different browser than the rest of the pages.
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > however there are many websites (facebook, google twiter
>>> etc.) and
>>> >>>>> >> > i do
>>> >>>>> >> > not have so many browsers
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >> > is there a way to open a private browsing page, and be able to
>>> >>>>> >> > access it
>>> >>>>> >> > again after reopening the browser ?
>>> >>>>> >> >
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > --
>>> >>>>> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
>>> >>>>> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
>>> >>>>> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
>>> >>>>> > unencrypted
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> > Linux-il mailing list
>>> >>>>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> >>>>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
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>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From w1 at zak.co.il  Sun Nov 29 11:05:39 2015
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:05:39 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
Message-ID: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>

After long time of not looking for hardware recommendations, I am again
looking for up-to-date hardware recommendations.

This time, I'd like to buy a laptop which will serve as my main
workhorse PC at home and outside of it.

As things look like, I would like it to have:
- 16GB RAM.
- Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
station).
- External SATA interface, with which I can connect an external hard
disk and work with it at full speed. This is in addition to internal
hard disk (500GB or more, capacity not critical).
- Battery time is not critical, as I expect to work near electricity
anyway.
- Several USB sockets
- WiFi
- Wired Ethernet socket
- Full Linux compatibility

So far someone recommended Macbook Pro with 13" display size.

Any recommended brands, models, off-brands?
Any brands to keep away from?
Any specs to ask for?
Any of the above specs NOT to ask for and why?

--- Omer


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From shachar at shemesh.biz  Sun Nov 29 15:48:58 2015
From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 15:48:58 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) =?UTF-8?Q?recommendations=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
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On 29/11/2015 11:05, Omer Zak wrote: 

> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).

May I ask why? Do you plan to connect the internal monitor + 3 external
monitors simultaneously? 

You need to be aware that even if there are so many ports (and my
laptop+dock does have that many ports), it does not mean you can
actually use all of them at the same time. That is a function of several
factors, GPU memory being possibly just one of which. A laptop with a
very high end graphics adapter (which is what you are implicitly asking
here) would be very expensive. 

Aside from that, I tend to recommend Dell. They have reasonable Linux
support, and they have on site next business day three year service as a
standard for most laptops. This means that you do not have to give up
your computer for several days while waiting for it to be serviced under
warranty. This, in turn, means that you can afford to actually fix those
errors that are annoying, but not annoying enough to go without the
computer for several days. 

My laptop is Dell latitude E7440. It only supports two simultaneous
displays, but otherwise seems to check all of your boxes. 

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From jdlmail at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 16:15:17 2015
From: jdlmail at gmail.com (Yaron de Leeuw)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:15:17 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
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On 29 November 2015 at 15:48, Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz> wrote:

> On 29/11/2015 11:05, Omer Zak wrote:
>
> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).
>
> May I ask why? Do you plan to connect the internal monitor + 3 external
> monitors simultaneously?
>
> You need to be aware that even if there are so many ports (and my
> laptop+dock does have that many ports), it does not mean you can actually
> use all of them at the same time. That is a function of several factors,
> GPU memory being possibly just one of which. A laptop with a very high end
> graphics adapter (which is what you are implicitly asking here) would be
> very expensive.
>

Regarding multiple external displays, the display port 1.2  standard
supports 'multi-stream'.
This means that some monitors allow 'daisy-chaining', and there are also
monitor hubs available [1],
so there is no 1:1 mapping between ports and monitors.

Of-course your graphics card has to support it, and the bandwidth is
limited (up to 4 1080p displays for example)[2],
and Shachar's comments about GPU memory and capabilities are correct,
but it should work  (in Linux kernels >= 3.17 )

Yaron


[1]
http://www.startech.com/AV/Displayport-Converters/Triple-Head-DisplayPort-Multi-Monitor-MST-Hub~MSTDP123DP
[2]
http://www.displayport.org/cables/driving-multiple-displays-from-a-single-displayport-output/
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From romovs at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 17:42:59 2015
From: romovs at gmail.com (Roman Ovseitsev)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:42:59 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <CABjyLDwW3A6nsSX=n7U4i7WdiaOi8+MkEhcJctX6aAy9x5OyHA@mail.gmail.com>

If you need 3 external monitors on top of the internal, without discrete
GPU the only option is a Skylake based laptop. It can pull off up to 5
monitors through HDMI/DP according to the spec. AFAIK older architectures
support only 3 monitors.
However since it just got released only a couple months back, there
probably not that many laptops to choose from yet. If any at all. Mobile
CPUs with better GPU are still not released so most vendors probably
waiting for them.
As far as Linux support for Skylake there are still some issue which you
might want to be aware of if you decide to go down that road:
ACPI doesn't work with some motherboards. Not an issue though if you don't
mind disabling it in the kernel. Graphics drivers work properly only
starting with 4.3 kernel.

As for the laptop, I've been using ThinkPad T 14" line for years and
overall the build quality, Linux support, repairability, and port selection
are rather good. Although I think the latest models have eSATA port removed
and come with only 3 USB ports, but I haven't checked.


On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:

> After long time of not looking for hardware recommendations, I am again
> looking for up-to-date hardware recommendations.
>
> This time, I'd like to buy a laptop which will serve as my main
> workhorse PC at home and outside of it.
>
> As things look like, I would like it to have:
> - 16GB RAM.
> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).
> - External SATA interface, with which I can connect an external hard
> disk and work with it at full speed. This is in addition to internal
> hard disk (500GB or more, capacity not critical).
> - Battery time is not critical, as I expect to work near electricity
> anyway.
> - Several USB sockets
> - WiFi
> - Wired Ethernet socket
> - Full Linux compatibility
>
> So far someone recommended Macbook Pro with 13" display size.
>
> Any recommended brands, models, off-brands?
> Any brands to keep away from?
> Any specs to ask for?
> Any of the above specs NOT to ask for and why?
>
> --- Omer
>
>
> --
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> My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/
>
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From shachar at shemesh.biz  Sun Nov 29 20:08:06 2015
From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:08:06 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CABjyLDwW3A6nsSX=n7U4i7WdiaOi8+MkEhcJctX6aAy9x5OyHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
 <CABjyLDwW3A6nsSX=n7U4i7WdiaOi8+MkEhcJctX6aAy9x5OyHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565B3F06.1070605@shemesh.biz>

On 29/11/15 17:42, Roman Ovseitsev wrote:
> If you need 3 external monitors on top of the internal, without
> discrete GPU the only option is a Skylake based laptop. It can pull
> off up to 5 monitors through HDMI/DP according to the spec. AFAIK
> older architectures support only 3 monitors.
> However since it just got released only a couple months back, there
> probably not that many laptops to choose from yet. If any at all.
> Mobile CPUs with better GPU are still not released so most vendors
> probably waiting for them.
> As far as Linux support for Skylake there are still some issue which
> you might want to be aware of if you decide to go down that road:
> ACPI doesn't work with some motherboards. Not an issue though if you
> don't mind disabling it in the kernel. Graphics drivers work properly
> only starting with 4.3 kernel.
>
> As for the laptop, I've been using ThinkPad T 14" line for years and
> overall the build quality, Linux support, repairability, and port
> selection are rather good. Although I think the latest models have
> eSATA port removed and come with only 3 USB ports, but I haven't checked.
Actually, my latitude also doesn't have eSATA. I think USB3 is fast
enough to not really require eSATA any more.

Shachar
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From w1 at zak.co.il  Sun Nov 29 21:02:46 2015
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:02:46 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <1448823766.567.132.camel@zak.co.il>

People replied to my message in private and to the mailing list. In the
following, I'll summarize their points and respond to them.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(1/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
Why connect internal monitor + 3 external monitors?

My response:
I was not clear in expressing my wishes.
What I'd like to be able is to work at home with three monitors. I do
not care if it is 3 external monitors (with disabled internal monitor)
or 2 external monitors with an active internal monitor.

Roman Ovseitsev's point about Skylake based laptop: not relevant since I
do not need more than 3 monitors total.

Thanks also to Yaron deLeeuw for the tip about looking for display port
1.2.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(2/9) Shachar Shemesh:
Recommends Dell, which has reasonable Linux support.
Uses Dell Latitude E7440.

My response:
What does "reasonable" mean here? Are there any features not well
supported by Linux?
Do other models in the E7000 series have as good reputation? If yes,
I'll check if any of them supports total of 3 displays.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(3/9) Roman Ovseitsev:
Uses ThinkPad T 14" for several years and is happy with it.

My response:
How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
from years ago)?

-=-=-=-=-=-

(4/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
Latest models don't have eSATA port, relying upon USB-3 instead.

My response:
It is a pity, because (according to Wikipedia), SATA 3.2 provides
16Gbit/sec transfer speed while USB 3.1 provides only 10Gbit/sec.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(5/9) Boris Shtrasman:
How about Legacy and UEFI (or only UEFI) mode?

My response:
UEFI should be OK, but I need to disable secure boot so that I'll be
able to upgrade Linux kernels at whim.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(6/9) Boris Shtrasman:
How about vPRO / AMT?

My response:
Not relevant for me, because the laptop will be for my personal use and
not for corporate use.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(7/9) Boris Shtrasman:
USB 3 vs. USB 2?

My response:
USB 3 is not mandatory (unless needed as a substitute for missing eSATA
connections).

-=-=-=-=-=-

(8/9) Boris Shtrasman:
UMTS/4G adapter (for cellular communication)?

My response:
Prefer not to have - might shock me by unexpected cellular phone
charges.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(9/9) Service providers:
People remarked that Dell provides good service in Israel, whereas
Neupan's service is bad.

-=-=-=-=-=-

--- Omer


On Sun, 2015-11-29 at 11:05 +0200, Omer Zak wrote:
> After long time of not looking for hardware recommendations, I am again
> looking for up-to-date hardware recommendations.
> 
> This time, I'd like to buy a laptop which will serve as my main
> workhorse PC at home and outside of it.
> 
> As things look like, I would like it to have:
> - 16GB RAM.
> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).
> - External SATA interface, with which I can connect an external hard
> disk and work with it at full speed. This is in addition to internal
> hard disk (500GB or more, capacity not critical).
> - Battery time is not critical, as I expect to work near electricity
> anyway.
> - Several USB sockets
> - WiFi
> - Wired Ethernet socket
> - Full Linux compatibility
> 
> So far someone recommended Macbook Pro with 13" display size.
> 
> Any recommended brands, models, off-brands?
> Any brands to keep away from?
> Any specs to ask for?
> Any of the above specs NOT to ask for and why?

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From romovs at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 22:35:13 2015
From: romovs at gmail.com (Roman Ovseitsev)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:35:13 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <1448823766.567.132.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
 <1448823766.567.132.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <CABjyLDy6vvzvJLr7khPmu0ab5k27THso3cfnPGhtCmNE+qWPDg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:

>
> How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
> from years ago)?
>

There seem to be a notion for slimming down things. Less ports and no DVD
(aka secondary HDD bay) bay anymore. Keyboard on newer models is a bit
weird too. F keys row has been combined with media keys and
end/insert/delete/etc keys have very unusual arrangement. But Linux seems
to be still well supported.
I am using T420 which probably won't fit your needs since it's a bit aged
and can't do more than 2 monitors. But I had a chance to use their latest
T450 model for a few days with Linux and it seemed ok with no apparent
issues. It has x3 USB 3.0 ports, VGA + mini DP, 16GB RAM max, matte
display, M.2 SSD slot (don't know if it can be used as boot device), and
the rest of the usual - RJ-45, WiFi, Bluetooth, multicard reader, WWAN
depending on the configuration. No idea about maximum supported monitors
though.
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 22:49:08 2015
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:49:08 -0800
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CABjyLDy6vvzvJLr7khPmu0ab5k27THso3cfnPGhtCmNE+qWPDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
 <1448823766.567.132.camel@zak.co.il>
 <CABjyLDy6vvzvJLr7khPmu0ab5k27THso3cfnPGhtCmNE+qWPDg@mail.gmail.com>
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After much consideration, I purchased a Thinkpad W541. The specific model
was important because I make heavy use of the Trackpoint(tm)  style pointer
and other newer models don't have this.

My version has a massive 2880 x 1620 pixel display, as I often have
multiple things open.

Linux install hung near the beginning the first few times, then continued
flawlessly. I was using an Ubuntu live CD I can't recall what I did to get
past the hanging.

I routinely use an external projector (college professor) and there is only
one projector at my university that sometimes gives me trouble. Lately I've
had no trouble using HDMI via the mini DP with this projector. Other
projectors seem to work fine with either VGA or mini DP.

My Thinkpad has 4 USB ports. I believe 2 of them are 3.0.

No external eSATA. I removed my DVD drive and bought an adapter to install
a second disk drive, which is solid state, on which I installed Linux. I
retained the original Windows disk as I sometimes have to work in Windows.

Happy to answer other questions about this if interested

Michael

I've never tried three monitors but I would like to. If I do I will report
back.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Roman Ovseitsev <romovs at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:
>
>>
>> How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
>> from years ago)?
>>
>
> There seem to be a notion for slimming down things. Less ports and no DVD
> (aka secondary HDD bay) bay anymore. Keyboard on newer models is a bit
> weird too. F keys row has been combined with media keys and
> end/insert/delete/etc keys have very unusual arrangement. But Linux seems
> to be still well supported.
> I am using T420 which probably won't fit your needs since it's a bit aged
> and can't do more than 2 monitors. But I had a chance to use their latest
> T450 model for a few days with Linux and it seemed ok with no apparent
> issues. It has x3 USB 3.0 ports, VGA + mini DP, 16GB RAM max, matte
> display, M.2 SSD slot (don't know if it can be used as boot device), and
> the rest of the usual - RJ-45, WiFi, Bluetooth, multicard reader, WWAN
> depending on the configuration. No idea about maximum supported monitors
> though.
>
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From shachar at shemesh.biz  Mon Nov 30 06:23:18 2015
From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 06:23:18 +0200
Subject: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <1448823766.567.132.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448787939.567.83.camel@zak.co.il>
 <1448823766.567.132.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <565BCF36.5050400@shemesh.biz>

On 29/11/15 21:02, Omer Zak wrote:
> (1/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
> Why connect internal monitor + 3 external monitors?
>
> My response:
> I was not clear in expressing my wishes.
> What I'd like to be able is to work at home with three monitors. I do
> not care if it is 3 external monitors (with disabled internal monitor)
> or 2 external monitors with an active internal monitor.
>
> Roman Ovseitsev's point about Skylake based laptop: not relevant since I
> do not need more than 3 monitors total.
My laptop has a fairly basic adapter. I seem to recall, though I have no
idea when I tried, that only two monitors simulteneously are supported.
I'm fairly certain that this is a GPU memory issue, though, as xrandr
does list a hefty list of potential ports (including, when docked,
subdisplays of the display port).
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> (2/9) Shachar Shemesh:
> Recommends Dell, which has reasonable Linux support.
> Uses Dell Latitude E7440.
>
> My response:
> What does "reasonable" mean here? Are there any features not well
> supported by Linux?
> Do other models in the E7000 series have as good reputation? If yes,
> I'll check if any of them supports total of 3 displays.
I can't think of anything that did not work for me, including setting
the track pad sensitivity, controlling the built in keyboard backlight
from the keyboard shortcut, and disabling/enabling the trackpad from the
keyboard shortcuts. Ubuntu 15.04 with kubuntu proved somewhat unstable
when docking/undocking (or, generally, when adding and removing the
external monitor). If you're willing to live with "dock, set monitor
state, logout and log in", then this is nothing serious.

I've also had trouble with the external monitor going blank when docked
sometimes. I've ended up swapping and swapping and swapping hardware
with others in the office, eventually blaming the motherboard. Dell's
support replaced it, and eventually the problem was resolved (it has
recently came back, but I havn't started the hardware swapping debugging
yet).

So, all in all, I have not come across anything that did not work for
me. You don't even need Windows/Dos to upgrade the BIOS. Just place the
BIOS upgrade file (an .EXE) on the UEFI boot partition, and use the BIOS
boot menu to select "BIOS upgrade".

There are some driver bugs, but nothing serious IMHO.
> (5/9) Boris Shtrasman:
> How about Legacy and UEFI (or only UEFI) mode?
>
> My response:
> UEFI should be OK, but I need to disable secure boot so that I'll be
> able to upgrade Linux kernels at whim.
At least Ubuntu have a signed GRUB, which means that the kernels need
not be signed at all (which defeats the whole purpose of secure UEFI,
but that's Microsoft's problem, not ours). My laptop does, in fact,
support legacy boot, but I ended up using UEFI anyways (I wanted to
experiment with it). I did end up disabling the secure UEFI boot, though
I don't think I had to.

One thing I did not expect was during motherboard replaement. With UEFI
the BIOS needs to know which OSes it is booting, which means that merely
replacing the BIOS and plugging in the same disk would not boot. The
BIOS has Windows preconfigured, but that's no help for obvious reasons.
You need to keep an Ubuntu DoK handy and do recovery reinstall of GRUB
to get the machine going again.

Also, Ubuntu install has great difficulty to install a legacy boot
Ubuntu if the live DoK was booted in UEFI mode and vice versa. Keep that
in mind during initial installation.

Their standard way to create the DoK these days is to take the ISO and
dd it on a DoK. This, suprisingly, creates a DoK that is bootable in
both legacy and UEFI mode. They managed to cram a bootloader, a UEFI
boot partition and an El Torrito boot loader in to the same image.

Shachar
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From w1 at zak.co.il  Mon Nov 30 10:53:09 2015
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:53:09 +0200
Subject: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
Message-ID: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>

In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop.
Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux
distributions on it.

At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the
host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based
virtual machine (Android development environment).

For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with
stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system
(VirtualBox or other).  For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie)
is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years.

I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and
the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The
virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge
stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and
other exotic stuff.

What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which
provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the
other basic software tools?

--- Omer


-- 
The key to making programs fast is to make them do practically nothing.
Mike Haertel (original author of GNU grep)
My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/

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From shlomif at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 12:22:40 2015
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:22:40 +0200
Subject: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
In-Reply-To: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <CANy4znXekR=v86gF9h3zUSMV4803wXzb4F-3pfGC9eT1t_jYSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Omer and all,


On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:

> In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop.
> Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux
> distributions on it.
>
> At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the
> host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based
> virtual machine (Android development environment).
>
> For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with
> stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system
> (VirtualBox or other).  For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie)
> is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years.
>
> I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and
> the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The
> virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge
> stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and
> other exotic stuff.
>
> What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which
> provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the
> other basic software tools?
>
>
Well, in general, I believe that when it comes to Linux distributions,
there's a tradeoff between having frequent releases with up-to-date
software and between being as bug-free as possible (what you call
"stable"). Note that it's not all-or-nothing and you can be somewhere in
between on both cases.

Anyway, my favourite distribution for now is Mageia (see
http://www.mageia.org/en/ ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia . It has a
release roughly every 9 months, and also has the "Cauldron" branch which
like Debian Testing ends up stabilising on the next release. I'm a Mageia
contributor and am using Mageia Linux x86-64 v5 on my relatively old Acer
laptop and Mageia x86-64 Cauldron on my Core i3 desktop machine.

Recently, I noticed some occasional freezes with the Cauldron system, and
in order to investigate, I decided to remove and avoid using VirtualBox,
which caused my kernel to become tainted due to it deemed buggy by the
kernel developers. After I removed VirtualBox, I didn't have any freezes,
but I'll have to see if they may still and in the meanwhile, I decided to
try using KVM instead.

Otherwise I'm happy with Mageia, which has quite a few of what I call "cute
bugs" but with easy workarounds.

Mageia is an open-source distribution (but not considered purely "free" by
FSF/Stallman zealots) and is maintained by a community of volunteers.

Some other distributions I used or played with:

* Archlinux - a rolling release distribution with a very user-unfriendly
installation method (using Manjaro or whatever for their installers should
be better) and with a tendency to be left in an unusable state if one
forgets to update it frequently enough (which is a problem where Manjaro
won't help you). Arch is fast and free of fluff, but you need to have a lot
of discipline to update it frequently enough or you're screwed.

* Fedora - seems nice and usable, but I still prefer Mageia.

* CentOS - also usable and stable, but upgrading between major versions is
reportedly unsupported.

* Debian Testing .

* Ubuntu - I dislike its default Unity desktop, but I can usually install
Xfce or whatever instead easily enough. I haven't used it a lot outside VMs.

Regards,

-- Shlomi Fish






> --- Omer
>
>
> --
> The key to making programs fast is to make them do practically nothing.
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From yuval at y3xz.com  Mon Nov 30 13:59:09 2015
From: yuval at y3xz.com (Yuval Adam)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:59:09 +0200
Subject: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
In-Reply-To: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <565C3A0D.6030409@y3xz.com>

Arch Linux is highly recommended in this case. I've been using it for
the past several years and have never looked back at any other distro.

Arch should fit your requirement for bleeding-edge packages (kernel,
docker, etc.) yet it really is extremely stable (granted, I wouldn't use
it on a production server, as updates do have the potential for some
downtime.)

There is a learning curve to Arch, but it is an extremely rewarding
distro to use.

On 11/30/2015 10:53 AM, Omer Zak wrote:
> In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop.
> Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux
> distributions on it.
> 
> At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the
> host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based
> virtual machine (Android development environment).
> 
> For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with
> stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system
> (VirtualBox or other).  For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie)
> is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years.
> 
> I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and
> the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The
> virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge
> stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and
> other exotic stuff.
> 
> What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which
> provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the
> other basic software tools?
> 
> --- Omer
> 
> 


From jhoyland at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 17:42:06 2015
From: jhoyland at gmail.com (Jeremy Hoyland)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:42:06 +0200
Subject: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
In-Reply-To: <565C3A0D.6030409@y3xz.com>
References: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
	<565C3A0D.6030409@y3xz.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZ9y3duYPAHT5EkC3Epd6E0b5U-Mfb4rPWGzaE9Hm07zHxiwQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you want the benefits of Ubuntu without the idiosyncrasies of the Unity
interface (which is better than it used to be, btw), you may want to
consider the Linux Mint (cinnamon) distro. Release 17.2 is based on Ubuntu
trusty (LTS) and the cinnamon interface is easy to use and attractive.

Mint uses apt and .deb files which you are used to, I think. Mint distro is
not glatt-kosher about OSS, so (say) skype comes OOTB and needs no
additional configuration (other than "sudo apt-get install skype").

J.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Yuval Adam <yuval at y3xz.com> wrote:

> Arch Linux is highly recommended in this case. I've been using it for
> the past several years and have never looked back at any other distro.
>
> Arch should fit your requirement for bleeding-edge packages (kernel,
> docker, etc.) yet it really is extremely stable (granted, I wouldn't use
> it on a production server, as updates do have the potential for some
> downtime.)
>
> There is a learning curve to Arch, but it is an extremely rewarding
> distro to use.
>
> On 11/30/2015 10:53 AM, Omer Zak wrote:
> > In another E-mail thread I am discussing selection of a laptop.
> > Once a laptop is acquired, I'll want to install one of Linux
> > distributions on it.
> >
> > At present, I am using Debian Stable (today it is Debian Jessie) as the
> > host OS of my PC, along with Ubuntu 14.04 inside a VirtualBox based
> > virtual machine (Android development environment).
> >
> > For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with
> > stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system
> > (VirtualBox or other).  For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian Jessie)
> > is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two years.
> >
> > I'll want to use Docker to run my current Debian Jessie installation and
> > the Android development environment (running on Ubuntu). The
> > virtualization system will be used to experiment with bleeding edge
> > stuff such as new Linux kernel versions, Debian Unstable, GNU/Hurd and
> > other exotic stuff.
> >
> > What is the community's recommendation for a Linux distribution which
> > provides stable yet up-to-date versions of the Linux kernel and the
> > other basic software tools?
> >
> > --- Omer
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Nov 30 17:47:32 2015
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: Which Linux distribution is stable yet up-to-date?
In-Reply-To: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <1448873589.567.182.camel@zak.co.il>
Message-ID: <20151130104732.55004ce9@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:53:09 +0200
Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:


> For the new system, I'd like to select an host Linux distribution with
> stable but up-to-date kernel, Docker and a virtualization system
> (VirtualBox or other).  For this, Debian Stable (today's Debian
> Jessie) is not the answer as it gets updated about once each two
> years.

Hi Omer,

Sounds to me like you're looking for a rolling release: Gentoo, Funtoo,
Arch, Manjaro, Void etc.

Gentoo and Funtoo are both compile-installation, and both use chroot
installs exclusively. Arch is a more difficult than average chroot
install. Manjaro and Void have regular installation programs, although
Void has facilities to do chroot installations if you prefer.

If you love systemd, Arch is what you want: They're fanatics about
their beloved systemd. If you hate systemd, Funtoo and Void have
pledged never to have systemd. If you like daemontools-inspired inits,
Void Linux inits with Runit (one of the big reasons I chose Void as my
daily driver).

Manjaro is like Arch with an easy installation program. Also, Manjaro
is more init agnostic, and in fact offers an "OpenRC Edition".

From what I hear second hand, Void is the one of these rolling releases
*least* likely to bork your system on an update.

HTH,

SteveT

Steve Litt 
November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
     of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques


From shlomif at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 19:02:52 2015
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:02:52 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Just say no to TPP
In-Reply-To: <20151125092912.1f3019de@telaviv1.shlomifish.org>
References: <20151125092912.1f3019de@telaviv1.shlomifish.org>
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Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:29 AM
Subject: Fw: Just say no to TPP
To: shlomif at gmail.com




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From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:09:57 +0200
Subject: Installing gtk2 version 2.18 or above in Centos 5.11 i386
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2015-11-01 1:57 GMT+02:00 Josh Roden <joshroden at gmail.com>:
> Hi All
> If possible, how could I install gtk2 version 2.18 on Centos 5.11 without
> breaking all kinds of dependencies?
> I have version 2.10.4 but it isn't good enough for installing Eclipse
> mars and above. The version 2.18 is needed.
> I would like to install it thru a repository and not tar.gz...
> Thanks
> Josh
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