From shlomif at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 21:28:37 2017 From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 21:28:37 +0300 Subject: Reaching Guy Keren (Choo) Message-ID: Hi all! Can anyone give me an up-to-date E-mail/phone/contact-info for Guy Keren (aka "choo") from http://www.haifux.org/guy_keren.html and http://web.archive.org/web/20071017044810/http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/debugging/debugging-with-gdb.html . After actcom.co.il's demise, he used to maintain his personal site on g-choo.com, but the domain appears to be no longer his. I wish to contact him about restoring his web site, which had many interesting and useful resources. I tried google and duckduckgo searches for him but came up empty handed. Regards, -- Shlomi -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ You can never truly appreciate The Gilmore Girls until you've watched it in the original Klingon. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amichai at iglu.org.il Mon Jul 3 16:56:19 2017 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:56:19 +0300 Subject: [LibreOffice 5.3/Ubuntu 17.04] Culmus Fonts not detected In-Reply-To: <20170627171407.GD11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20170625195443.GE2026@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20170627114900.GB11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20170627171407.GD11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> Message-ID: Can any of you do the magic so this package becomes available for installation from the Ubuntu Repos? Thanks! Amichai 2017-06-27 20:14 GMT+03:00 Boruch Baum : > If Dov is correct and your results are superior, let me know when you > upload yours for public distribution and I'll immediately delete my > repository with a link to yours. > > On 2017-06-27 19:28, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > > I converted to OpenType using Adobe FDK and the fonts work in > LibreOffice. > > > > 2017-06-27 15:12 GMT+03:00 Dov Grobgeld : > > > Though I haven't followed the story closely, you should note that this > > > conversion is problematic. Converting to OpenType while retaining the > Type1 > > > outlines would have been a better idea, if OpenOffice supports it. > > > > > > Here's a relevant link that describes the problem in Type1?TTF > conversion: > > > https://blog.idrsolutions.com/2014/06/3-reasons-font- > converter-type-1-truetype/ > > -- > hkp://keys.gnupg.net > CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boruch_baum at gmx.com Mon Jul 3 19:50:44 2017 From: boruch_baum at gmx.com (Boruch Baum) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:50:44 -0400 Subject: [LibreOffice 5.3/Ubuntu 17.04] Culmus Fonts not detected In-Reply-To: References: <20170625195443.GE2026@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20170627114900.GB11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20170627171407.GD11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> Message-ID: <20170703165044.GD9438@E15-2016.optimum.net> On 2017-07-03 16:56, Amichai Rotman wrote: > Can any of you do the magic so this package becomes available for > installation from the Ubuntu Repos? With the circulating claim that my work is inferior, I don't feel comfortable recommending it be packaged for a distribution, especially since others say they have produced better product. However, as someone who doesn't print to cellulose, I personally haven't noticed any deficiency in my versions of the fonts, so what I do feel comfortable with is suggesting that until the better product is made available, you evaluate my versions. If, after a few months, no one publishes a superior font set and there does develop a consensus that my work isn't somehow deficient, then I would be willing to do the packaging work. You can use the fonts immediately, as a local user is creating directory ~/.fonts, and copying the fonts files there. If libreoffice is running, it may possibly be necessary to exit and restart the program. > 2017-06-27 20:14 GMT+03:00 Boruch Baum <[1]boruch_baum at gmx.com>: > > If Dov is correct and your results are superior, let me know when > you > upload yours for public distribution and I'll immediately delete my > repository with a link to yours. > On 2017-06-27 19:28, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > > I converted to OpenType using Adobe FDK and the fonts work in > LibreOffice. > > > > 2017-06-27 15:12 GMT+03:00 Dov Grobgeld > <[2]dov.grobgeld at gmail.com>: > > > Though I haven't followed the story closely, you should note > that this > > > conversion is problematic. Converting to OpenType while > retaining the Type1 > > > outlines would have been a better idea, if OpenOffice supports > it. > > > > > > Here's a relevant link that describes the problem in Type1?TTF > conversion: > > > [3]https://blog.idrsolutions.com/2014/06/3-reasons-font- > converter-type-1-truetype/ > > -- > hkp://[4]keys.gnupg.net > CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > [5]Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > [6]http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > References > > 1. mailto:boruch_baum at gmx.com > 2. mailto:dov.grobgeld at gmail.com > 3. https://blog.idrsolutions.com/2014/06/3-reasons-font-converter-type-1-truetype/ > 4. http://keys.gnupg.net/ > 5. mailto:Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > 6. http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From boruch_baum at gmx.com Mon Jul 3 19:56:30 2017 From: boruch_baum at gmx.com (Boruch Baum) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:56:30 -0400 Subject: [LibreOffice 5.3/Ubuntu 17.04] Culmus Fonts not detected In-Reply-To: References: <20170625195443.GE2026@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20170627114900.GB11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> <20170627171407.GD11444@E15-2016.optimum.net> Message-ID: <20170703165630.GE9438@E15-2016.optimum.net> If anyone else received a 550 error when trying to send Amichai a response, the email address that worked for me is poder.pinguino at gmail.com, as buried in the email header. @Amichai: if people tell you that they are having trouble sending you email, it may be because your outgoing configuration is using an alias which isn't resolving correctly. The error message that I received was: "550 invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record" -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 18:33:58 2017 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:33:58 +0300 Subject: Kde Connect problem Message-ID: <20170706183358.3be97a49@shlomo1.solomon> I just tried this on my Android phone. I can send and receive files in both directions and I also get my phone's notifications on my desktop. But I have not been able to browse my phone's file system from Dolphin. As I understand it, the phone should show up in the device list in Dolphin, but it's not there. System info below in my signature. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 From govershay at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 18:42:01 2017 From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:42:01 +0300 Subject: Kde Connect problem In-Reply-To: <20170706183358.3be97a49@shlomo1.solomon> References: <20170706183358.3be97a49@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: ????? ????? ??? ??? On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I just tried this on my Android phone. > > I can send and receive files in both directions and I also get my > phone's notifications on my desktop. > > But I have not been able to browse my phone's file system from > Dolphin. As I understand it, the phone should show up in the device > list in Dolphin, but it's not there. > > System info below in my signature. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 12:55:49 2017 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:55:49 +0300 Subject: Kde Connect problem In-Reply-To: References: <20170706183358.3be97a49@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: <20170707125549.35d0040d@shlomo1.solomon> I didn't file a bug report because I don't really know if this is a bug or something I'm doing wrong - for example some setting that I should have done. On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:42:01 +0300 Shay Gover wrote: > ????? ????? ??? ??? > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Shlomo Solomon > wrote: > > > I just tried this on my Android phone. > > > > I can send and receive files in both directions and I also get my > > phone's notifications on my desktop. > > > > But I have not been able to browse my phone's file system from > > Dolphin. As I understand it, the phone should show up in the device > > list in Dolphin, but it's not there. > > > > System info below in my signature. > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > -- > > Shlomo Solomon > > http://the-solomons.net > > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 From govershay at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 13:00:26 2017 From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 13:00:26 +0300 Subject: Kde Connect problem In-Reply-To: <20170707125549.35d0040d@shlomo1.solomon> References: <20170706183358.3be97a49@shlomo1.solomon> <20170707125549.35d0040d@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: ?? ?????? ????????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ??????. ??? ???, ?? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I didn't file a bug report because I don't really know if this is a bug > or something I'm doing wrong - for example some setting that I should > have done. > > On > Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:42:01 +0300 Shay Gover wrote: > > > ????? ????? ??? ??? > > > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Shlomo Solomon > > wrote: > > > > > I just tried this on my Android phone. > > > > > > I can send and receive files in both directions and I also get my > > > phone's notifications on my desktop. > > > > > > But I have not been able to browse my phone's file system from > > > Dolphin. As I understand it, the phone should show up in the device > > > list in Dolphin, but it's not there. > > > > > > System info below in my signature. > > > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > > Shlomo Solomon > > > http://the-solomons.net > > > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Linux-il mailing list > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shlomif at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 20:54:35 2017 From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 20:54:35 +0300 Subject: Unix Timestamp 1,500,000,000 Message-ID: Hi all! The Unix timestamp will hit 1.5 thousand million in about 9 hours: shlomif at telaviv1:~$ date --date='@0' Thu 1 Jan 02:00:00 IST 1970 shlomif at telaviv1:~$ date --date='@1500000000' Fri 14 Jul 05:40:00 IDT 2017 shlomif at telaviv1:~$ See https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unix+timestamp&ia=answer ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time . Happy milestone! Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ You can never truly appreciate The Gilmore Girls until you've watched it in the original Klingon. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at QuiteLikely.com Sun Jul 16 23:30:05 2017 From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:30:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Internet recommendations Message-ID: Hello, This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me. Also, there is a direct connection to Linux if you read far enough. We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to change ISP and infrastructure providers. I'm hoping you all can help us decide who to go with. Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have been prepared to pay for it. Up until two years ago, we were happily using Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN. But then we started running into a problem. My wife and I are both blind. When we got our service reconnected in November 2015, after being out of the country for six months, we discovered that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in addition to the username and password. Moreover, this CAPTCHA has no audio challenge, only visual ones. This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to administer it, and while there are solutions that can help a blind person solve these challenges, you of course need to be connected to the Internet to use them, which limits their usefulness in this case. When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure from Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people you pay for the infrastructure provide the router. Unfortunately, they also had a CAPTCHA challenge on their login page, so this did not help particularly. Late last year, we tried switching to 012. To be honest, I can't remember if they have a CAPTCHA or not. I have found the Internet in this apartment less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if this is due to the ISP, the phone line or the poor wi-fi performance in this apartment. One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both now and previously, is bad router firmware. I've seen problems caused by on-board DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of the number of times I've cleared up some issue we've been having by rebooting the router. So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks (https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/). This device runs a modified Debian Linux distribution. I've not yet set it up, but I'm looking to do so once we move. To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of modem device only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied router in bridged mode. As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm also looking at other connectivity options. I see that the Electricity company is now offering a fibre-to-the-home service called Unlimited (unlimited.net.il). At least according to the English language pages, which may well not be up to date, they only seem to have a handful of ISPs, none of which I've had anything to do with. Furthermore, I don't know anything about their reputation (it's difficult to find much in English), and I obviously don't know anything about their end equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and whether or not it has a CAPTCHA. I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home solution as well, but I don't know how true this is and I also don't know if equipment for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA that I've never figured out how to disable. I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless someone can make a very good case for them If you've read this far, I thank you. As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might be difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep. My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order: * Fast * Reliable * Usable with third-party routers * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA. Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more interested in quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have that no-one ueses anyway. If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to hear them. As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders soon. Thanks in advance, Geoff. From w1 at zak.co.il Sun Jul 16 23:45:45 2017 From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:45:45 +0300 Subject: Accessibility (Re: Internet recommendations) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1500237945.9842.9.camel@zak.co.il> Hello Geoff, I understand that you have an accessibility problem with the services provided by the infrastructure/ISP who provide the routers. You should complain at the Commission for Equal Rights of Persons with Disabilities: http://www.justice.gov.il/Units/NetzivutShivyon/Pages/default.aspx (English: http://www.justice.gov.il/En/Units/CommissionEqualRightsPersonsDisabilities/Pages/About-the-Commission-for-Equal-Rights-of-Persons-With-Disablities.aspx) Hopefully they'll help get the service providers to provide you with an accessible but secure router. --- Omer Zak On Sun, 2017-07-16 at 21:30 +0100, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hello, > > This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me. Also, there is a > direct connection to Linux if you read far enough. > > We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to change ISP > and infrastructure providers. I'm hoping you all can help us decide who > to go with. > > Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have been > prepared to pay for it. Up until two years ago, we were happily using > Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN. But then we started running > into a problem. > > My wife and I are both blind. When we got our service reconnected in > November 2015, after being out of the country for six months, we > discovered that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in addition to the > username and password. Moreover, this CAPTCHA has no audio challenge, > only visual ones. > > This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to administer it, > and while there are solutions that can help a blind person solve these > challenges, you of course need to be connected to the Internet to use > them, which limits their usefulness in this case. > > When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure from > Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people you pay for > the infrastructure provide the router. Unfortunately, they also had a > CAPTCHA challenge on their login page, so this did not help particularly. > > Late last year, we tried switching to 012. To be honest, I can't remember > if they have a CAPTCHA or not. I have found the Internet in this > apartment less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if this is due to > the ISP, the phone line or the poor wi-fi performance in this apartment. > > One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both now and > previously, is bad router firmware. I've seen problems caused by on-board > DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of the number of times I've > cleared up some issue we've been having by rebooting the router. > > So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks > (https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/). This device runs a > modified Debian Linux distribution. I've not yet set it up, but I'm > looking to do so once we move. > > To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of modem device > only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied router in bridged mode. > > As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm also > looking at other connectivity options. > > I see that the Electricity company is now offering a fibre-to-the-home > service called Unlimited (unlimited.net.il). At least according to the > English language pages, which may well not be up to date, they only seem > to have a handful of ISPs, none of which I've had anything to do with. > Furthermore, I don't know anything about their reputation (it's difficult > to find much in English), and I obviously don't know anything about their > end equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and whether > or not it has a CAPTCHA. > > I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home solution as > well, but I don't know how true this is and I also don't know if equipment > for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA that I've never figured out how > to disable. > > I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless someone > can make a very good case for them > > If you've read this far, I thank you. > > As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might be > difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep. > > My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order: > > * Fast > * Reliable > * Usable with third-party routers > * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA. > > Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any > thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more interested in > quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have > that no-one ueses anyway. > > If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to hear > them. As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders soon. -- "Kosher" Cellphones (cellphones with blocked SMS, video and Internet) are a menace to the deaf. They must be outlawed! (See also: http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/2006/04/21/the-grave-danger-to-the-deaf-from-kosher-cellphones/ and http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/2007/02/04/rabbi-eliashiv-declared-war-on-the-deaf/) My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html From d.s at daniel.shahaf.name Mon Jul 17 00:11:37 2017 From: d.s at daniel.shahaf.name (Daniel Shahaf) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:11:37 +0000 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1500239497.252878.1042694448.102A5829@webmail.messagingengine.com> Good morning Geoff, Geoff Shang wrote on Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:30 +0100: > My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order: > > * Fast > * Reliable > * Usable with third-party routers > * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA. > > Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any > thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more interested in > quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have > that no-one ueses anyway. If I understand correctly, your constraint is the ISP-provided box must not have a visual-only CAPTCHA. Have you considered using, not only your own router, but also your own modem? That is, buy on the free market a box that has one RJ11 port and one or more RJ45 ports, and then simply ask the ISP for the username / password / protocol details and configure them on the hardware of your choice. This approach is not bulletproof?? some ISP's have a bad habit of giving little advance notice when the login details change?? but it would divorce your choice of ISP from details of the ISP-provided modem. Cheers, Daniel From alon at skylinesoft.com Mon Jul 17 07:13:50 2017 From: alon at skylinesoft.com (Alon Barzilai) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:13:50 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boruch_baum at gmx.com Mon Jul 17 20:42:49 2017 From: boruch_baum at gmx.com (Boruch Baum) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:42:49 -0400 Subject: mutt, bidi, t-prot solution Message-ID: <20170717174213.GA803@E15-2016.optimum.net> This is for anyone of you who use mutt as your e-mail client, and like me until just a few minutes ago, couldn't get the `t-prot' display pre-processor to play nicely with bidi (using the command-line `bidiv' program). The trick that's working for me on the emails I currently have available to test with, is to set `bidiv's line width parameter very very wide. Like 400 characters wide! Here's the relevant snippet from my .muttrc: #+BEGIN_SRC conf # ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? # ? Display filtering ? # ? ? # ? M-0 Turn off ? # ? M-1 Turn on t-prot / bidiv ? # ? ? # ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? set my_tprot='bidiv -w400 | t-prot -cmekatlS --max-lines=250 --bigq \ --pgp-short --pgp-move-vrf -Mmutt -L/etc/t-prot/footers \ -A/etc/t-prot/ads' set display_filter=$my_tprot macro generic \e0 ":unset display_filter\n" \ "Turn OFF all display filters" macro generic \e1 ":set display_filter='$my_tprot'\n" \ "Turn ON tprot / bidiv display filter" macro pager \e0 \ ":unset display_filter; exec exit\n:exec display-message\n" \ "Turn OFF all display filters" macro pager \e1 \ ":set display_filter='$my_tprot'; exec exit\n:exec display-message\n" \ "Turn ON tprot / bidiv display filter" # highlight tprot elements color body brightmagenta default "^\\[---.*" color body green default "^#v[-+]" #+END_SRC -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From sara.fink at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 00:31:02 2017 From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:31:02 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff I have some bad critics about unlimited. Besides what was mentioned in this list, I can tell you that they install communication equipment on the building entrance without installing separate electricity clock. This equipment serves the whole building but only one entrance pays for the whole building (I checked it with them, so this is the situation). This is what they did where my mother lives. Now imagine that this equipment works 24x7x365 and calculate how much this electricity costs. I can tell you that in the case where my mother lives, the electricity bills jumped 3 times more compared to previous bills. When I sent them an email they didn't even bothered to answer. According to their web page you don't know who is the personnel. Just a simple email (to which they don't answer) or phone. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Alon Barzilai wrote: > Hi, > > If you plan to buy a modem/router this list (in hebrew) may help. > > http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm > > about unlimited: > they have a very limited areas where they have service, and they expand > very slowly. > > hot may have better infrastructure than bezeq at some areas ( this is my > case). they do not have CAPTCHA in their routers. > it might be a good idea to ask you neighbors what they use, and if they > are happy with it. > > Cheers, > Alon. > > > > On 7/16/2017 11:30 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: > > Hello, > > This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me. Also, there is a > direct connection to Linux if you read far enough. > > We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to change ISP > and infrastructure providers. I'm hoping you all can help us decide who to > go with. > > Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have been > prepared to pay for it. Up until two years ago, we were happily using > Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN. But then we started running > into a problem. > > My wife and I are both blind. When we got our service reconnected in > November 2015, after being out of the country for six months, we discovered > that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in addition to the username and > password. Moreover, this CAPTCHA has no audio challenge, only visual ones. > > This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to administer it, > and while there are solutions that can help a blind person solve these > challenges, you of course need to be connected to the Internet to use them, > which limits their usefulness in this case. > > When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure from > Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people you pay for the > infrastructure provide the router. Unfortunately, they also had a CAPTCHA > challenge on their login page, so this did not help particularly. > > Late last year, we tried switching to 012. To be honest, I can't remember > if they have a CAPTCHA or not. I have found the Internet in this apartment > less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if this is due to the ISP, > the phone line or the poor wi-fi performance in this apartment. > > One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both now and > previously, is bad router firmware. I've seen problems caused by on-board > DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of the number of times I've > cleared up some issue we've been having by rebooting the router. > > So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks ( > https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/). This device runs a > modified Debian Linux distribution. I've not yet set it up, but I'm > looking to do so once we move. > > To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of modem device > only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied router in bridged mode. > > As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm also > looking at other connectivity options. > > I see that the Electricity company is now offering a fibre-to-the-home > service called Unlimited (unlimited.net.il). At least according to the > English language pages, which may well not be up to date, they only seem to > have a handful of ISPs, none of which I've had anything to do with. > Furthermore, I don't know anything about their reputation (it's difficult > to find much in English), and I obviously don't know anything about their > end equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and whether > or not it has a CAPTCHA. > > I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home solution as > well, but I don't know how true this is and I also don't know if equipment > for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA that I've never figured out how > to disable. > > I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless someone > can make a very good case for them > > If you've read this far, I thank you. > > As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might be > difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep. > > My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order: > > * Fast > * Reliable > * Usable with third-party routers > * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA. > > Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any > thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more interested in > quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have > that no-one ueses anyway. > > If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to hear > them. As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders soon. > > Thanks in advance, > Geoff. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-il at shimi.net Tue Jul 18 08:41:13 2017 From: linux-il at shimi.net (shimi) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:41:13 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: Hi Sara, To calculate the said cost, we will need to know the input wattage/amperage of whatever they installed there. If for example it's 1watt (not saying that it is), the cost would be negligible. Tripled the electricity cost? >From how much? Without numbers, we can only guess. Let's say the equipment (what is it? isn't it a simple fiber to ethernet converter? something similar to http://www.fibrolan.com/FibroLAN/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=108&FID=1223&PID=3990&IID=3852 ?) consumes 2A on 12V so 24W. Power to run such a device for 24 hours a day, 30 days a month would be 24 x 24 x 30 = 17.28kWh. Price of 1kWh is 55.29 agorot (based on https://www.iec.co.il/homeclients/pages/tariffs.aspx), so for monthly usage of 17.28kWh, the price would be 9.55 NIS - this of course should be divided by the number of households in the same entrance. If there are for example 10 households, each one will pay less than 1NIS/mo. per device with such consumption. Of course, it may consume much more. Can you please take a look at either the rated wattage on the device(s), or, if not rated, the model(s) of it, so its' spec sheet could be looked up online to find out the actual cost to be attributed to these devices? Thanks! By the way, YES also put amplifiers that consume electricity from the building 24x7x365... and perhaps such amplifiers are also installed for reception of IDAN+ public broadcasts. Likely they're all nothing compared to power consumption for lighting fixtures and elevator engines... Thanks, -- Shimi On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:31 AM, sara fink wrote: > Hi Geoff > > I have some bad critics about unlimited. Besides what was mentioned in > this list, I can tell you that they install communication equipment on the > building entrance without installing separate electricity clock. This > equipment serves the whole building but only one entrance pays for the > whole building (I checked it with them, so this is the situation). This is > what they did where my mother lives. Now imagine that this equipment works > 24x7x365 and calculate how much this electricity costs. I can tell you that > in the case where my mother lives, the electricity bills jumped 3 times > more compared to previous bills. > > When I sent them an email they didn't even bothered to answer. According > to their web page you don't know who is the personnel. Just a simple email > (to which they don't answer) or phone. > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Alon Barzilai > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If you plan to buy a modem/router this list (in hebrew) may help. >> >> http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm >> >> about unlimited: >> they have a very limited areas where they have service, and they expand >> very slowly. >> >> hot may have better infrastructure than bezeq at some areas ( this is my >> case). they do not have CAPTCHA in their routers. >> it might be a good idea to ask you neighbors what they use, and if they >> are happy with it. >> >> Cheers, >> Alon. >> >> >> >> On 7/16/2017 11:30 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me. Also, there is a >> direct connection to Linux if you read far enough. >> >> We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to change ISP >> and infrastructure providers. I'm hoping you all can help us decide who to >> go with. >> >> Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have been >> prepared to pay for it. Up until two years ago, we were happily using >> Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN. But then we started running >> into a problem. >> >> My wife and I are both blind. When we got our service reconnected in >> November 2015, after being out of the country for six months, we discovered >> that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in addition to the username and >> password. Moreover, this CAPTCHA has no audio challenge, only visual ones. >> >> This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to administer >> it, and while there are solutions that can help a blind person solve these >> challenges, you of course need to be connected to the Internet to use them, >> which limits their usefulness in this case. >> >> When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure from >> Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people you pay for the >> infrastructure provide the router. Unfortunately, they also had a CAPTCHA >> challenge on their login page, so this did not help particularly. >> >> Late last year, we tried switching to 012. To be honest, I can't >> remember if they have a CAPTCHA or not. I have found the Internet in this >> apartment less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if this is due to >> the ISP, the phone line or the poor wi-fi performance in this apartment. >> >> One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both now and >> previously, is bad router firmware. I've seen problems caused by on-board >> DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of the number of times I've >> cleared up some issue we've been having by rebooting the router. >> >> So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks ( >> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/). This device runs a >> modified Debian Linux distribution. I've not yet set it up, but I'm >> looking to do so once we move. >> >> To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of modem >> device only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied router in bridged >> mode. >> >> As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm also >> looking at other connectivity options. >> >> I see that the Electricity company is now offering a fibre-to-the-home >> service called Unlimited (unlimited.net.il). At least according to the >> English language pages, which may well not be up to date, they only seem to >> have a handful of ISPs, none of which I've had anything to do with. >> Furthermore, I don't know anything about their reputation (it's difficult >> to find much in English), and I obviously don't know anything about their >> end equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and whether >> or not it has a CAPTCHA. >> >> I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home solution >> as well, but I don't know how true this is and I also don't know if >> equipment for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA that I've never figured >> out how to disable. >> >> I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless someone >> can make a very good case for them >> >> If you've read this far, I thank you. >> >> As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might be >> difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep. >> >> My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order: >> >> * Fast >> * Reliable >> * Usable with third-party routers >> * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA. >> >> Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any >> thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more interested in >> quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have >> that no-one ueses anyway. >> >> If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to hear >> them. As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders soon. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Geoff. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w1 at zak.co.il Tue Jul 18 15:42:41 2017 From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:42:41 +0300 Subject: Any contacts in Dublin LUG? Message-ID: <1500381761.22266.39.camel@zak.co.il> I am trying to help a friend in Dublin Ireland, who wants to install Linux in her old laptop. We found that no Linux installation parties are scheduled there in the near future. So my friend needs to have contact with someone in the local LUG, who can help her accomplish this. Does anyone have suitable contacts there? Thanks, --- Omer Zak -- No actual electrons, animals or children were harmed by writing this E-mail message. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html From geoff at QuiteLikely.com Tue Jul 18 17:00:47 2017 From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:00:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks everyone for your recommendations, both on list and off. I really appreciate them all. Firstly, it seems Unlimited is not available in our area, so that's no longer a consideration. We contacted Bezeq today about their offerings, and they mentioned a new business-class service called Secure Internet (in Hebrew). It's 50/5 mbps as opposed to the regular 100/3 mbps, and is a good deal more expensive, but comes with certain service guarantees (this is a business service). You can use it with any ISP, but they recommend Bezeqint, Tripple C or Xphone. I recall hearing good things about Tripple C, possibly from here, and I also got a recommendation about them just now from a lister. We are tempted to go with this Secure Internet and Tripple C. I haven't been able to find anything about this secure thing online, and would be interested to know if anyone here knows anything about the service, particularly its technical aspects (you can't ask sales reps this sort of thing). Apparently this service uses different equipment (they said something about Checkpoint). Also thanks for the info re third-party modems/routers. I wasn't aware this was an option (I've had no luck finding VDSL modems in the past), so will definitely look at this. Thanks again, Geoff. From sara.fink at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 11:00:58 2017 From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:00:58 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: I have some numbers. Before the installation the usage was 32-48kwh/2 months. After the installation it jumped to 100-102kwh/2 months. Someone from the unlimited company slipped his tongue and said that they know it's about 60 nis/2 months which fits the bill of 100kwh/2 months. The house doesn't have elevator. it's some ethernet converter. It's very hard to see what they put there because everything is covered with the box and very small holes. The problem is that in a building with 5 entries, only one entry pays for the electricity and within that entry only 3 out of 8 families have their internet. Others don't even have internet when normally they should have put a separate clock and divide it by those who actually use their internet. It's even worse, in a building of 40 families, only 12 families have their internet. On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:41 AM, shimi wrote: > Hi Sara, > > To calculate the said cost, we will need to know the input > wattage/amperage of whatever they installed there. If for example it's > 1watt (not saying that it is), the cost would be negligible. Tripled the > electricity cost? From how much? > > Without numbers, we can only guess. Let's say the equipment (what is it? > isn't it a simple fiber to ethernet converter? something similar to > http://www.fibrolan.com/FibroLAN/Templates/showpage. > asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=108&FID=1223&PID=3990&IID=3852 ?) consumes 2A on > 12V so 24W. Power to run such a device for 24 hours a day, 30 days a month > would be 24 x 24 x 30 = 17.28kWh. Price of 1kWh is 55.29 agorot (based on > https://www.iec.co.il/homeclients/pages/tariffs.aspx), so for monthly > usage of 17.28kWh, the price would be 9.55 NIS - this of course should be > divided by the number of households in the same entrance. If there are for > example 10 households, each one will pay less than 1NIS/mo. per device with > such consumption. > > Of course, it may consume much more. Can you please take a look at either > the rated wattage on the device(s), or, if not rated, the model(s) of it, > so its' spec sheet could be looked up online to find out the actual cost to > be attributed to these devices? Thanks! > > By the way, YES also put amplifiers that consume electricity from the > building 24x7x365... and perhaps such amplifiers are also installed for > reception of IDAN+ public broadcasts. Likely they're all nothing compared > to power consumption for lighting fixtures and elevator engines... > > Thanks, > > -- Shimi > > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:31 AM, sara fink wrote: > >> Hi Geoff >> >> I have some bad critics about unlimited. Besides what was mentioned in >> this list, I can tell you that they install communication equipment on the >> building entrance without installing separate electricity clock. This >> equipment serves the whole building but only one entrance pays for the >> whole building (I checked it with them, so this is the situation). This is >> what they did where my mother lives. Now imagine that this equipment works >> 24x7x365 and calculate how much this electricity costs. I can tell you that >> in the case where my mother lives, the electricity bills jumped 3 times >> more compared to previous bills. >> >> When I sent them an email they didn't even bothered to answer. According >> to their web page you don't know who is the personnel. Just a simple email >> (to which they don't answer) or phone. >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Alon Barzilai >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> If you plan to buy a modem/router this list (in hebrew) may help. >>> >>> http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm >>> >>> about unlimited: >>> they have a very limited areas where they have service, and they expand >>> very slowly. >>> >>> hot may have better infrastructure than bezeq at some areas ( this is my >>> case). they do not have CAPTCHA in their routers. >>> it might be a good idea to ask you neighbors what they use, and if they >>> are happy with it. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alon. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/16/2017 11:30 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me. Also, there is a >>> direct connection to Linux if you read far enough. >>> >>> We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to change ISP >>> and infrastructure providers. I'm hoping you all can help us decide who to >>> go with. >>> >>> Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have been >>> prepared to pay for it. Up until two years ago, we were happily using >>> Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN. But then we started running >>> into a problem. >>> >>> My wife and I are both blind. When we got our service reconnected in >>> November 2015, after being out of the country for six months, we discovered >>> that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in addition to the username and >>> password. Moreover, this CAPTCHA has no audio challenge, only visual ones. >>> >>> This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to administer >>> it, and while there are solutions that can help a blind person solve these >>> challenges, you of course need to be connected to the Internet to use them, >>> which limits their usefulness in this case. >>> >>> When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure from >>> Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people you pay for the >>> infrastructure provide the router. Unfortunately, they also had a CAPTCHA >>> challenge on their login page, so this did not help particularly. >>> >>> Late last year, we tried switching to 012. To be honest, I can't >>> remember if they have a CAPTCHA or not. I have found the Internet in this >>> apartment less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if this is due to >>> the ISP, the phone line or the poor wi-fi performance in this apartment. >>> >>> One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both now >>> and previously, is bad router firmware. I've seen problems caused by >>> on-board DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of the number of times >>> I've cleared up some issue we've been having by rebooting the router. >>> >>> So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks ( >>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/). This device runs a >>> modified Debian Linux distribution. I've not yet set it up, but I'm >>> looking to do so once we move. >>> >>> To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of modem >>> device only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied router in bridged >>> mode. >>> >>> As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm also >>> looking at other connectivity options. >>> >>> I see that the Electricity company is now offering a fibre-to-the-home >>> service called Unlimited (unlimited.net.il). At least according to the >>> English language pages, which may well not be up to date, they only seem to >>> have a handful of ISPs, none of which I've had anything to do with. >>> Furthermore, I don't know anything about their reputation (it's difficult >>> to find much in English), and I obviously don't know anything about their >>> end equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and whether >>> or not it has a CAPTCHA. >>> >>> I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home solution >>> as well, but I don't know how true this is and I also don't know if >>> equipment for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA that I've never figured >>> out how to disable. >>> >>> I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless >>> someone can make a very good case for them >>> >>> If you've read this far, I thank you. >>> >>> As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might be >>> difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep. >>> >>> My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order: >>> >>> * Fast >>> * Reliable >>> * Usable with third-party routers >>> * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA. >>> >>> Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any >>> thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more interested in >>> quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have >>> that no-one ueses anyway. >>> >>> If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to hear >>> them. As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders soon. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Geoff. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sara.fink at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 11:18:38 2017 From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:18:38 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: Geoff, I am connected to xphone and bought myself a modem-router with vectoring support for faster speeds. I bought from yad2 tp-link TD-W9970 xphone are ok. I pay 69nis/month just pay attention to whom you pay the money, because there is a difference between the payment even for the same deal. If you pay to bezeq it's more expensive. If you pay to xphone it's 69. Now I think they have a deal of 89 nis with free installation. If the installation in the apartment is done and you don't need a visit from the bezeq technician then start directly with xphone. If you need the installation the visit of bezeq technician will cost you something (or just even opening something in the box outside the house). So in this case if you want to free technician/installation you should first start paying to bezeq for a month or 2 (depends on the deal) and then switch paying to xphone or other ISP that you prefer. Nasty game unfortunately. . On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks everyone for your recommendations, both on list and off. I really > appreciate them all. > > Firstly, it seems Unlimited is not available in our area, so that's no > longer a consideration. > > We contacted Bezeq today about their offerings, and they mentioned a new > business-class service called Secure Internet (in Hebrew). It's 50/5 mbps > as opposed to the regular 100/3 mbps, and is a good deal more expensive, > but comes with certain service guarantees (this is a business service). > > You can use it with any ISP, but they recommend Bezeqint, Tripple C or > Xphone. > > I recall hearing good things about Tripple C, possibly from here, and I > also got a recommendation about them just now from a lister. > > We are tempted to go with this Secure Internet and Tripple C. I haven't > been able to find anything about this secure thing online, and would be > interested to know if anyone here knows anything about the service, > particularly its technical aspects (you can't ask sales reps this sort of > thing). > > Apparently this service uses different equipment (they said something > about Checkpoint). > > Also thanks for the info re third-party modems/routers. I wasn't aware > this was an option (I've had no luck finding VDSL modems in the past), so > will definitely look at this. > > Thanks again, > > Geoff. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rabin at rabin.io Thu Jul 20 00:48:50 2017 From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 00:48:50 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: I can't recommend XPhone, I tried them just after the "?????? ?????????" started, and my VPN connections were dropping constantly, I retuned to BBL after 2 days, and I'm with them ever since. over the past 5 years i think i had one issue with them, it was seems they were hijacking DNS traffic, my router is configured to use Google Public DNS servers (8.8.8.8) and so all my machines in the LAN, but some direct query's were failing (or not returning a consistent result), so eventually after having a long conversation with the LEVEL1 and then LEVEL2 support I find out that they enabled some "CyberWall" service on my account, so I requested to removed it, and I have no problems ever since. my 2c. -- Rabin On 19 July 2017 at 11:18, sara fink wrote: > Geoff, > > I am connected to xphone and bought myself a modem-router with vectoring > support for faster speeds. I bought from yad2 tp-link > TD-W9970 > > xphone are ok. I pay 69nis/month > > just pay attention to whom you pay the money, because there is a > difference between the payment even for the same deal. If you pay to bezeq > it's more expensive. If you pay to xphone it's 69. Now I think they have a > deal of 89 nis with free installation. > If the installation in the apartment is done and you don't need a visit > from the bezeq technician then start directly with xphone. If you need the > installation the visit of bezeq technician will cost you something (or just > even opening something in the box outside the house). So in this case if > you want to free technician/installation you should first start paying to > bezeq for a month or 2 (depends on the deal) and then switch paying to > xphone or other ISP that you prefer. Nasty game unfortunately. > . > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Geoff Shang > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks everyone for your recommendations, both on list and off. I really >> appreciate them all. >> >> Firstly, it seems Unlimited is not available in our area, so that's no >> longer a consideration. >> >> We contacted Bezeq today about their offerings, and they mentioned a new >> business-class service called Secure Internet (in Hebrew). It's 50/5 mbps >> as opposed to the regular 100/3 mbps, and is a good deal more expensive, >> but comes with certain service guarantees (this is a business service). >> >> You can use it with any ISP, but they recommend Bezeqint, Tripple C or >> Xphone. >> >> I recall hearing good things about Tripple C, possibly from here, and I >> also got a recommendation about them just now from a lister. >> >> We are tempted to go with this Secure Internet and Tripple C. I haven't >> been able to find anything about this secure thing online, and would be >> interested to know if anyone here knows anything about the service, >> particularly its technical aspects (you can't ask sales reps this sort of >> thing). >> >> Apparently this service uses different equipment (they said something >> about Checkpoint). >> >> Also thanks for the info re third-party modems/routers. I wasn't aware >> this was an option (I've had no luck finding VDSL modems in the past), so >> will definitely look at this. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Geoff. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amichai at iglu.org.il Sun Jul 23 14:46:10 2017 From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 14:46:10 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: I am very happy with Triple C's Triple @ 40Mb. Their Internet is fast and stable and their service is quick and professional. I bought my own VDSL2 MODEM/Router (A TP-Link 9970WD I think). Amichai. 2017-07-20 0:48 GMT+03:00 Rabin Yasharzadehe : > I can't recommend XPhone, I tried them just after the "?????? ?????????" > started, and my VPN connections were dropping constantly, I retuned to BBL > after 2 days, and I'm with them ever since. over the past 5 years i think i > had one issue with them, it was seems they were hijacking DNS traffic, my > router is configured to use Google Public DNS servers (8.8.8.8) and so all > my machines in the LAN, but some direct query's were failing (or not > returning a consistent result), so eventually after having a long > conversation with the LEVEL1 and then LEVEL2 support I find out that they > enabled some "CyberWall" service on my account, so I requested to removed > it, and I have no problems ever since. > > my 2c. > > -- > Rabin > > On 19 July 2017 at 11:18, sara fink wrote: > >> Geoff, >> >> I am connected to xphone and bought myself a modem-router with vectoring >> support for faster speeds. I bought from yad2 tp-link >> TD-W9970 >> >> >> xphone are ok. I pay 69nis/month >> >> just pay attention to whom you pay the money, because there is a >> difference between the payment even for the same deal. If you pay to bezeq >> it's more expensive. If you pay to xphone it's 69. Now I think they have a >> deal of 89 nis with free installation. >> If the installation in the apartment is done and you don't need a visit >> from the bezeq technician then start directly with xphone. If you need the >> installation the visit of bezeq technician will cost you something (or just >> even opening something in the box outside the house). So in this case if >> you want to free technician/installation you should first start paying to >> bezeq for a month or 2 (depends on the deal) and then switch paying to >> xphone or other ISP that you prefer. Nasty game unfortunately. >> . >> >> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Geoff Shang >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks everyone for your recommendations, both on list and off. I >>> really appreciate them all. >>> >>> Firstly, it seems Unlimited is not available in our area, so that's no >>> longer a consideration. >>> >>> We contacted Bezeq today about their offerings, and they mentioned a new >>> business-class service called Secure Internet (in Hebrew). It's 50/5 mbps >>> as opposed to the regular 100/3 mbps, and is a good deal more expensive, >>> but comes with certain service guarantees (this is a business service). >>> >>> You can use it with any ISP, but they recommend Bezeqint, Tripple C or >>> Xphone. >>> >>> I recall hearing good things about Tripple C, possibly from here, and I >>> also got a recommendation about them just now from a lister. >>> >>> We are tempted to go with this Secure Internet and Tripple C. I haven't >>> been able to find anything about this secure thing online, and would be >>> interested to know if anyone here knows anything about the service, >>> particularly its technical aspects (you can't ask sales reps this sort of >>> thing). >>> >>> Apparently this service uses different equipment (they said something >>> about Checkpoint). >>> >>> Also thanks for the info re third-party modems/routers. I wasn't aware >>> this was an option (I've had no luck finding VDSL modems in the past), so >>> will definitely look at this. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Geoff. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 01:07:56 2017 From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:07:56 +0000 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: Tonight from around midnight until 0:50 both DSL lines and cellular data went out. My son thinks something happened we will read about tomorrow on the news. I think the timing indicates a shift change at BEZEQ and the night shift did some maintainence. Geoff. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 14:47 Amichai Rotman wrote: > I am very happy with Triple C's Triple @ 40Mb. > > Their Internet is fast and stable and their service is quick and > professional. > > I bought my own VDSL2 MODEM/Router (A TP-Link 9970WD I think). > > Amichai. > > 2017-07-20 0:48 GMT+03:00 Rabin Yasharzadehe : > >> I can't recommend XPhone, I tried them just after the "?????? ?????????" >> started, and my VPN connections were dropping constantly, I retuned to BBL >> after 2 days, and I'm with them ever since. over the past 5 years i think i >> had one issue with them, it was seems they were hijacking DNS traffic, my >> router is configured to use Google Public DNS servers (8.8.8.8) and so all >> my machines in the LAN, but some direct query's were failing (or not >> returning a consistent result), so eventually after having a long >> conversation with the LEVEL1 and then LEVEL2 support I find out that they >> enabled some "CyberWall" service on my account, so I requested to removed >> it, and I have no problems ever since. >> >> my 2c. >> >> -- >> Rabin >> >> On 19 July 2017 at 11:18, sara fink wrote: >> >>> Geoff, >>> >>> I am connected to xphone and bought myself a modem-router with vectoring >>> support for faster speeds. I bought from yad2 tp-link >>> TD-W9970 >>> >>> >>> xphone are ok. I pay 69nis/month >>> >>> just pay attention to whom you pay the money, because there is a >>> difference between the payment even for the same deal. If you pay to bezeq >>> it's more expensive. If you pay to xphone it's 69. Now I think they have a >>> deal of 89 nis with free installation. >>> If the installation in the apartment is done and you don't need a visit >>> from the bezeq technician then start directly with xphone. If you need the >>> installation the visit of bezeq technician will cost you something (or just >>> even opening something in the box outside the house). So in this case if >>> you want to free technician/installation you should first start paying to >>> bezeq for a month or 2 (depends on the deal) and then switch paying to >>> xphone or other ISP that you prefer. Nasty game unfortunately. >>> . >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Geoff Shang >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for your recommendations, both on list and off. I >>>> really appreciate them all. >>>> >>>> Firstly, it seems Unlimited is not available in our area, so that's no >>>> longer a consideration. >>>> >>>> We contacted Bezeq today about their offerings, and they mentioned a >>>> new business-class service called Secure Internet (in Hebrew). It's 50/5 >>>> mbps as opposed to the regular 100/3 mbps, and is a good deal more >>>> expensive, but comes with certain service guarantees (this is a business >>>> service). >>>> >>>> You can use it with any ISP, but they recommend Bezeqint, Tripple C or >>>> Xphone. >>>> >>>> I recall hearing good things about Tripple C, possibly from here, and I >>>> also got a recommendation about them just now from a lister. >>>> >>>> We are tempted to go with this Secure Internet and Tripple C. I >>>> haven't been able to find anything about this secure thing online, and >>>> would be interested to know if anyone here knows anything about the >>>> service, particularly its technical aspects (you can't ask sales reps this >>>> sort of thing). >>>> >>>> Apparently this service uses different equipment (they said something >>>> about Checkpoint). >>>> >>>> Also thanks for the info re third-party modems/routers. I wasn't aware >>>> this was an option (I've had no luck finding VDSL modems in the past), so >>>> will definitely look at this. >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> Geoff. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Linux-il mailing list >>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- >From my tablet please pardon mistakes and lack of replies. Geoffrey Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.s at daniel.shahaf.name Mon Jul 24 18:58:04 2017 From: d.s at daniel.shahaf.name (Daniel Shahaf) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:58:04 +0000 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> Message-ID: <1500911884.656758.1050882936.3AC2B3B4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Geoffrey Mendelson wrote on Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:07 +0000: > Tonight from around midnight until 0:50 both DSL lines and cellular data > went out. > > My son thinks something happened we will read about tomorrow on the news. > > I think the timing indicates a shift change at BEZEQ and the night shift > did some maintainence. In my experience, short (< 5 min) outages during the night are not unusual with bezeq. I haven't set up a monitoring ping from my home LAN to the outside world to gather hard data, but it'd be an interesting experiment. From Lists-Linux-IL at ira.abramov.org Mon Jul 24 19:57:54 2017 From: Lists-Linux-IL at ira.abramov.org (Ira Abramov) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 19:57:54 +0300 Subject: Annoying truths about bash Message-ID: <20170724165754.zngqhjw7qttvquzr@ira.abramov.org> Howdie, here's an anomally I just discovered after a very annoying debugging session... My native bash (Ubuntu 17.04) is version 4.4.7(1)-release # aa=" hello" ; md5sum <<< $aa fc22c4f0ac67cb377dd50629601e4df0 - # aa=" hello" ; md5sum <<< "$aa" fc22c4f0ac67cb377dd50629601e4df0 - bash on Ubuntu 16.04 has version 4.3.48(1)-release # aa=" hello" ; md5sum <<< $aa b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 - # aa=" hello" ; md5sum <<< "$aa" fc22c4f0ac67cb377dd50629601e4df0 - So as usual, please give strings explicit quotes, or it will bite you in the tush. For the record, the way the older bash behaves may well be the "correct" one (losing the space from the string while tokenizing), and the new one is more sensible. but it certainly isn't fair to fix this in a minor version and screw up people's scripts, eh? :) -- Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il Thu Jul 27 00:35:34 2017 From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 00:35:34 +0300 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: <1500911884.656758.1050882936.3AC2B3B4@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> <1500911884.656758.1050882936.3AC2B3B4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: My experience with CCC in the past was very positive.... Currently not connected to anyone due to vandalism to infrastructure where I live :/ Using your own modem is I believe much better since you don't have Bezeq/ISP potentially playing around with your equipment, at the moment I have a Bezeq modem at friends and even though it is a WiFi Router I always turn off the wireless and connect it to the WAN port of a router that I have exclusive control over (running OpenWRT/LEDE). (Not so long ago the modem 'decided' to reset itself after which I could not get in using any default password or password I previously set, only after using some Bezeq auto-configure site did I regain access to MY equipment, sub-ideal if you ask me....) Sadly usually the routers that contain a modem too don't have good OSS support so I'm not 100% sure I would put them on the trusted network even if they were mine.... HTH, Eliyahu - ????? 2017-07-24 18:58 GMT+03:00 Daniel Shahaf : > Geoffrey Mendelson wrote on Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:07 +0000: >> Tonight from around midnight until 0:50 both DSL lines and cellular data >> went out. >> >> My son thinks something happened we will read about tomorrow on the news. >> >> I think the timing indicates a shift change at BEZEQ and the night shift >> did some maintainence. > > In my experience, short (< 5 min) outages during the night are not unusual > with bezeq. > > I haven't set up a monitoring ping from my home LAN to the outside world > to gather hard data, but it'd be an interesting experiment. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 12:19:27 2017 From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:19:27 +0000 Subject: Internet recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <350e7c48-3f59-7255-caaa-2235f4d75796@skylinesoft.com> <1500911884.656758.1050882936.3AC2B3B4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I can lend you either a 3g or 3g/lte usb modem if that would help. SIM card not included. Geoff. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 00:36 E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > My experience with CCC in the past was very positive.... > > Currently not connected to anyone due to vandalism to infrastructure > where I live :/ > > Using your own modem is I believe much better since you don't have > Bezeq/ISP potentially playing around with your equipment, at the > moment I have a Bezeq modem at friends and even though it is a WiFi > Router I always turn off the wireless and connect it to the WAN port > of a router that I have exclusive control over (running OpenWRT/LEDE). > > (Not so long ago the modem 'decided' to reset itself after which I > could not get in using any default password or password I previously > set, only after using some Bezeq auto-configure site did I regain > access to MY equipment, sub-ideal if you ask me....) > > Sadly usually the routers that contain a modem too don't have good OSS > support so I'm not 100% sure I would put them on the trusted network > even if they were mine.... > > HTH, > Eliyahu - ????? > > 2017-07-24 18:58 GMT+03:00 Daniel Shahaf : > > Geoffrey Mendelson wrote on Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:07 +0000: > >> Tonight from around midnight until 0:50 both DSL lines and cellular data > >> went out. > >> > >> My son thinks something happened we will read about tomorrow on the > news. > >> > >> I think the timing indicates a shift change at BEZEQ and the night shift > >> did some maintainence. > > > > In my experience, short (< 5 min) outages during the night are not > unusual > > with bezeq. > > > > I haven't set up a monitoring ping from my home LAN to the outside world > > to gather hard data, but it'd be an interesting experiment. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- >From my tablet please pardon mistakes and lack of replies. 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What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? regards Gabor From linux.il at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 10:25:50 2017 From: linux.il at gmail.com (linux.il) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:25:50 +0300 Subject: OT: Israeli domain names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had some domains registered via CCC , service was good. Vitaly On Jul 31, 2017 9:43 AM, "Gabor Szabo" wrote: Hi, I am a bit late bird, but as my domains start to expire I have to move them away from ISOC. I thought to give a try to BezeqInt (VirtualNest) as I don't know any of the others either. Apparently I cannot do the transfer online. I need to fill out some paper(!) forms. I talked to a representative. She told me I will also need to call them for renewals as that cannot be done via the website either. Finally she told me the cost is 100 NIS for the transfer and 250 NIS / 2 years for the domain name. I have not seen any of these prices on their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I was rather shocked. What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? regards Gabor _______________________________________________ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rabin at rabin.io Mon Jul 31 10:28:01 2017 From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:28:01 +0300 Subject: OT: Israeli domain names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just move to the cheapest registrar (Box as of this moment) and use cloudflare to manage your zone. never had a problem, never called there support service. -- Rabin On 31 July 2017 at 09:42, Gabor Szabo wrote: > Hi, > > I am a bit late bird, but as my domains start to expire I have to move > them away from ISOC. I thought to give a try to BezeqInt (VirtualNest) > as I don't know any of the others either. > > Apparently I cannot do the transfer online. I need to fill out some > paper(!) forms. > I talked to a representative. She told me I will also need to call > them for renewals as that cannot be done via the website either. > > Finally she told me the cost is 100 NIS for the transfer and 250 NIS / > 2 years for the domain name. I have not seen any of these prices on > their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I was rather shocked. > > What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? > > regards > Gabor > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have not seen any of these prices on > their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I was rather shocked. > > What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? > > regards > Gabor > I've been using peligon and hosting my site and DNS at digital ocean, I haven't tried migrating my domain. I've been able to renew my domain several times online without a problem. -- Efraim Flashner ????? ????? GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to fill out some > > paper(!) forms. > > I talked to a representative. She told me I will also need to call > > them for renewals as that cannot be done via the website either. > > > > Finally she told me the cost is 100 NIS for the transfer and 250 NIS / > > 2 years for the domain name. I have not seen any of these prices on > > their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I was rather shocked. > > > > What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? > > > > regards > > Gabor > > > > I've been using peligon and hosting my site and DNS at digital ocean, I > haven't tried migrating my domain. I've been able to renew my domain > several times online without a problem. > > -- > Efraim Flashner ????? ????? > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 13:57:39 2017 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:57:39 +0300 Subject: OT: Israeli domain names In-Reply-To: References: <20170731073448.GB2406@macbook42.flashner.co.il> Message-ID: <20170731135739.6eafe5cf@shlomo1.solomon> Also OT, but can anyone explain why Israeli domain names are so expensive? A .com or .net domain on (for example) GoDaddy costs $1 for the first year and then about $10 per year. On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:11:40 +0300 Amichai Rotman wrote: > I am happy with DomainTheNet. > > I have one .co.il domain. I pay 80 NIS /Year and manage everything via > their Web Site. No papers and no phone calls.... > > Amichai Rotman > > 2017-07-31 10:34 GMT+03:00 Efraim Flashner : > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 09:42:52AM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am a bit late bird, but as my domains start to expire I have to > > > move them away from ISOC. I thought to give a try to BezeqInt > > > (VirtualNest) as I don't know any of the others either. > > > > > > Apparently I cannot do the transfer online. I need to fill out > > > some paper(!) forms. > > > I talked to a representative. She told me I will also need to call > > > them for renewals as that cannot be done via the website either. > > > > > > Finally she told me the cost is 100 NIS for the transfer and 250 > > > NIS / 2 years for the domain name. I have not seen any of these > > > prices on their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I was rather > > > shocked. > > > > > > What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? > > > > > > regards > > > Gabor > > > > > > > I've been using peligon and hosting my site and DNS at digital > > ocean, I haven't tried migrating my domain. I've been able to renew > > my domain several times online without a problem. > > > > -- > > Efraim Flashner ????? ????? > > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 > > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received > > unencrypted > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 From rabin at rabin.io Mon Jul 31 14:30:09 2017 From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:30:09 +0300 Subject: OT: Israeli domain names In-Reply-To: <20170731135739.6eafe5cf@shlomo1.solomon> References: <20170731073448.GB2406@macbook42.flashner.co.il> <20170731135739.6eafe5cf@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: Marketing! - you can register for 1$ (inc 0.18$ fee for ICANN) but the renewal cost will be much higher (~15$) "???? ?????". - .com/.net domain name space are crowded, go find a nice short name in them, so not a good compare, check other CC TLD's. - very cheap cost will flood the domain space with domain trolls which will buy any combination just in case - 50 NIS is not that high compare to all the rest -- e.g - https://www.hover.com/domains/results?q=troll-hunter-co-il -- Rabin On 31 July 2017 at 13:57, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > Also OT, but can anyone explain why Israeli domain names are so > expensive? A .com or .net domain on (for example) GoDaddy costs $1 for > the first year and then about $10 per year. > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:11:40 +0300 > Amichai Rotman wrote: > > > I am happy with DomainTheNet. > > > > I have one .co.il domain. I pay 80 NIS /Year and manage everything via > > their Web Site. No papers and no phone calls.... > > > > Amichai Rotman > > > > 2017-07-31 10:34 GMT+03:00 Efraim Flashner : > > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 09:42:52AM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am a bit late bird, but as my domains start to expire I have to > > > > move them away from ISOC. I thought to give a try to BezeqInt > > > > (VirtualNest) as I don't know any of the others either. > > > > > > > > Apparently I cannot do the transfer online. I need to fill out > > > > some paper(!) forms. > > > > I talked to a representative. She told me I will also need to call > > > > them for renewals as that cannot be done via the website either. > > > > > > > > Finally she told me the cost is 100 NIS for the transfer and 250 > > > > NIS / 2 years for the domain name. I have not seen any of these > > > > prices on their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I was rather > > > > shocked. > > > > > > > > What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Gabor > > > > > > > > > > I've been using peligon and hosting my site and DNS at digital > > > ocean, I haven't tried migrating my domain. I've been able to renew > > > my domain several times online without a problem. > > > > > > -- > > > Efraim Flashner ????? ????? > > > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 > > > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received > > > unencrypted > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Linux-il mailing list > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > > > > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 14:47:23 2017 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:47:23 +0300 Subject: OT: Israeli domain names In-Reply-To: References: <20170731073448.GB2406@macbook42.flashner.co.il> <20170731135739.6eafe5cf@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: <20170731144723.6141a773@shlomo1.solomon> Actually, on GoDaddy you can get a .com or .net domain for about $100 for 10 years. On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:30:09 +0300 Rabin Yasharzadehe wrote: > Marketing! > > - you can register for 1$ (inc 0.18$ fee for ICANN) but the renewal > cost will be much higher (~15$) "???? ?????". > - .com/.net domain name space are crowded, go find a nice short name > in them, so not a good compare, check other CC TLD's. > - very cheap cost will flood the domain space with domain trolls > which will buy any combination just in case > - 50 NIS is not that high compare to all the rest -- e.g - > https://www.hover.com/domains/results?q=troll-hunter-co-il > > -- > Rabin > > On 31 July 2017 at 13:57, Shlomo Solomon > wrote: > > > Also OT, but can anyone explain why Israeli domain names are so > > expensive? A .com or .net domain on (for example) GoDaddy costs $1 > > for the first year and then about $10 per year. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:11:40 +0300 > > Amichai Rotman wrote: > > > > > I am happy with DomainTheNet. > > > > > > I have one .co.il domain. I pay 80 NIS /Year and manage > > > everything via their Web Site. No papers and no phone calls.... > > > > > > Amichai Rotman > > > > > > 2017-07-31 10:34 GMT+03:00 Efraim Flashner > > > : > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 09:42:52AM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit late bird, but as my domains start to expire I > > > > > have to move them away from ISOC. I thought to give a try to > > > > > BezeqInt (VirtualNest) as I don't know any of the others > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > Apparently I cannot do the transfer online. I need to fill out > > > > > some paper(!) forms. > > > > > I talked to a representative. She told me I will also need to > > > > > call them for renewals as that cannot be done via the website > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > Finally she told me the cost is 100 NIS for the transfer and > > > > > 250 NIS / 2 years for the domain name. I have not seen any of > > > > > these prices on their site (I saw there 69 NIS / year) so I > > > > > was rather shocked. > > > > > > > > > > What is your recommended registrar for Israeli domain names? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Gabor > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been using peligon and hosting my site and DNS at digital > > > > ocean, I haven't tried migrating my domain. I've been able to > > > > renew my domain several times online without a problem. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Efraim Flashner ????? ????? > > > > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 > > > > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received > > > > unencrypted > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Linux-il mailing list > > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Shlomo Solomon > > http://the-solomons.net > > Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.11.1 - KDE 4.14.30 - Dolphin 4.14.3 - LINUX Mageia 5 From danshimsh at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 20:12:37 2017 From: danshimsh at gmail.com (Dan Shimshoni) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:12:37 +0300 Subject: security/firewall on Linux desktop at home - connection to the Intenet Message-ID: Hi, Linux-il, My question is about securing the Internet access from a Linux Desktop(at home) to the Internet via ISP ; my setup is quite old: Dlink BR-6504N (IEEE802.11b/g/n) wireless router which is connected to ADSL bezeq device (in my case it is quite old - DSL 2500U), but the question is *in general*. The question is - which firewall is recommended to be running on the Linux Desktop ? (let's say it is either Fedora or Ubuntu). Do you rely on firewalld for Fedora and ufw of Ubuntu ? or do you recommend something else ? And regarding the Dlink router - do you recommend any other wireless router with special security features ? what should we pay attention when purchasing a new wireless router, related to these aspects ? or is it enough to have the firewall software on the desktop itself ? My main focus here is avoiding intrusion into the Linux desktop, but avoiding viruses is also important. Is there a (free) good Anti-virus sw for a Linux desktop that you can recommend? Regards, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: