<div dir="ltr">good for you. I disagree with the Google security statement and since my cost is zero for spam free content and always up mail services for 4 business units I would say that zero is always more cost-effective than your own time.<br>
<br>I can't argue the security point with you because there are always two facets of security -<br>feeling secure and being secure (as Bruce Schneier pointed out a while back)<br><br>You feel more secure DIY (and are probably factually less secure) <br>
I feel more secure with Google Apps (and are probably factually more secure) <br><br>d<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Avraham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yba@tkos.co.il">yba@tkos.co.il</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Danny Lieberman wrote:<br>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:41:38 +0300<div class="im"><br>
From: Danny Lieberman <<a href="mailto:dannyl@software.co.il" target="_blank">dannyl@software.co.il</a>><br></div>
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <<a href="mailto:yba@tkos.co.il" target="_blank">yba@tkos.co.il</a>><br>
Cc: ILUG <<a href="mailto:linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il" target="_blank">linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il</a>><div class="im"><br>
Subject: Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support<br>
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Yonatan<br>
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what you're saying is that you are capable of managing security better than<br>
google.<br>
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that is highly arguable.<br>
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No, there's no argument here. With Google you have no way of knowing or insuring the security of your content. For this application we can't rely on third-party storage. (period)<br>
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We have been managing a number of servers for clients for many years, in a cost-effective manner, with minimal spam. Most are based on PostFix with our own spam filter that is somewhat more effective than Spam Assassin.<br>
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- yba<div class="im"><br>
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Our own experience is that we ran qmail/squirrel qmail/clamAV/Spam Assassin<br>
for 5 years thru 2007. In 2007 - the amount of administration and image<br>
spam made the entire exercise non cost-effective and a huge mail dos attack<br>
on a customer's setup changed my mind permanently. I migrated 4 email<br>
domains to Google Apps and I have not looked back since.<br>
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>From a system security perspective - I don't have to worry about patching,<br>
ddos attacks and web defacing attacks. from a data security/privacy<br>
perspective - Google is better at managing personal data than you are, hands<br>
down.<br>
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