<div dir="ltr">I agree, the gamers package is not what I would expect from ISP in ideal world.<div><br></div><div>But as my SSH connections are working much better when I use the Gamers package, I have no other choice but to follow along. I prefer paying 20-30 nis more then working with a poor connection. My work output dramatically change when the latency drops.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br clear="all">--------------------------------------------------<br>Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director.<br><a href="http://www.epoch.co.il">http://www.epoch.co.il</a> - weaving the Net.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/11/5 Justin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thelonecabbage@gmail.com">thelonecabbage@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">I'm a die hard capitalist, I believe you should go with whomever gives you the best service for the best price. <div><br></div><div>But Bezeq and Netvision are huge companies, and yet they offer not one thing more than the small ISPs (those that are left). </div>
<div><br></div><div>I remember being a customer of ACT.com and couldn't have been happier. The moment they were bought by BBL service turned to crap. Connections wouldn't stay up, VOiP quality declined, and service requests (what few I'd needed under ACT) took days instead of minuets.</div>
<div><br></div><div>On top of all that ALL larger ISPs in Israel block ports and use traffic shaping. </div><div><br></div><div>It's insane that after I've paid BBL for a connection of a 5Mb that I need to pay them another 20NIS for a gamers package so that VOiP can work (when VOiP could work as well on an unthrottled line 1/4 the size). If they downgrade P2P traffic, I understand that. I don't like it, but I understand it. But VOiP is not bandwidth intensive standards, and doesn't degrade the network. Gamers, even hard core gamers, aren't online enough that they saturate their slice of the bandwidth. THE ONLY REASON to downgrade traffic for VOiP or gamers is to justify taking more money from them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The large ISPs have every opportunity to offer a superior product. They have efficiency of scale on their sides. But at the end of the day small businesses are still offering a better service, because they don't have the marketing capacity to simply replace abused customers. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="im"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Dotan Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dotancohen@gmail.com" target="_blank">dotancohen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>> Not trying to flame anyone, but Mickey Israeli IS one of the owners of<br>
> <a href="http://Comm.net.il" target="_blank">Comm.net.il</a><br>
> (see: <a href="http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=comm.net.il&do_search=Search" target="_blank">http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=comm.net.il&do_search=Search</a>),<br>
> so <a href="http://comm.net.il" target="_blank">comm.net.il</a> is very small and one of the owners (or the owner). I'm not<br>
> saying it's a bad thing, but being tiny has some advantages and some<br>
> disadvantages, for example: you're paying a very high price for your<br>
> connection compared to what other people here on this list pays, but<br>
> I definitely understand your reasons.<br>
<br>
</div>I would definitely pay more for quality internet access. I am happily<br>
paying 5₪ more per month to Bezeq Beilleumi per month than I was<br>
paying to the theives known as Netvision. At Netvision they refused to<br>
diagnose connection problems, blaming my Infrastructure (Bezeq). Now<br>
they are suing me for not paying them when they refused to even check<br>
the connection issues. They want our money, not our business. I would<br>
rather give someone else even _more_ money who is interested in<br>
keeping me happy as a lifetime customer.<br>
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</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div>-- <br>There must be a beginning of any great matter, but the continuing unto the end until it be thoroughly finished yields the true glory. -- Sir Francis Drake<br>
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