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On 12/15/2010 07:25 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
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<div>On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:06 PM, geoffrey mendelson <span><<a
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<blockquote> There are plenty of them around. No one wants
them because you can buy a new computer with 1g of DDR2 or
DDR3 RAM for less money than 1g alone of DDR(1) RAM.</blockquote>
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Exactly.<br>
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<blockquote> There are two different Intel Graphics chip sets.
I don't know which is which, but a quick search should
answer the question. The earlier ones are chips that Intel
bought a license to manufacture. They are not very good in
general and have closed source drivers. This makes them OK
for Windows, a problem for Linux. The second are the newer
ones Intel designed and builds.<br>
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Well, i5-650 is supposed to be a member of the Clarkdale
family, and its little brother (i3-530) was reviewed, e.g.,
here<br>
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- driver problems reported, GPU hangs, etc. But the date is
Jan 22, 2010 - maybe there has been driver progress in the
last 11 months?<br>
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My 2 cents:<br>
I personally have ASUS P7H55 M-Pro with i3-530 processor + 4GB RAM(
bought at KSP for ~1400 NIS) running kernels 2.6.32- 3.6.36.2<br>
Although the latest 2.6.36.2 still continues to patch intel chipset
I915 (drm patches) I did not noticed any problem with graphics.<br>
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The only issue I have is a sound :<br>
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in 2.6.32 no hdmi sound, alsamixer did not recognize sound
card<br>
in 2.6.36 - no sound at all, alsamixer shows too much
non-existent controls but no hdmi output, it thinks it had Intel
IbexPeak HDMI chip<br>
<br>
I think i will post it in separate post, because I slipped from a
subject<br>
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<div>Intel's support/download page does not say a word about
Linux - there are drivers for every Windows in the Galaxy,
but there don't seem to be any proprietary Intel HD Linux
drivers.<br>
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Oron, can you comment? ;-)<br>
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<blockquote> As for buying an I5 processor, there are newer
I3's with similar performance (for example 3gHz instead of
3.6gHz) for a lot less money.<br>
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Indeed, i3-540 3.06GHz is ILS505, while i5-650 3.20GHz is
ILS815 at KSP. From what I see, the latter has VT-d that I
may want to play with (or maybe not) that comes with Intel
TXT ("trusted execution technology"), unfortunately, and
Turbo Boost Frequency that sounds nice to have.<br>
<br>
Various benchmarks that I saw (lies, damned lies,
statistics, and benchmarks) seem to indicate a difference in
overall performance, but not all that much.<br>
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Thanks for pointing this out.<br>
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As for realtek, they tend to have cheap chips, which
generallty work well. If you are concerend about support,
check the exact model number of the chip as they keep
changing them and the linux drivers do not always "keep up".<br>
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When you buy a mobo make sure you are getting one that
supports full 64 bit addressing.</blockquote>
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The H55 chipset seems OK in this respect - <a
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href="http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/322169.pdf">http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/322169.pdf</a><br>
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<blockquote> Be warned that most of the current production
really cheap (around 600 NIS) LCD screens only have VGA
ports. </blockquote>
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My LCD has a DVI port, but I never bothered to get a cable.<br>
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<blockquote> There are not a lot of things that run on Linux
that use the extra acceleration in expensive graphic cards,
on the other hand if you are also going to run Windows on it</blockquote>
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Not unless it is in a VM for some as yet unidentified
specific purpose.<br>
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<blockquote> (see my other comment below) and play high end
games (Fallout New Vegas anyone?) you will need an extra
"hot" graphics card. </blockquote>
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No, I did say games were out of scope.<br>
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<blockquote> If you plan on running Windows on it, then IMHO
you should buy a name brand such as HP, Packard Bell, etc.
The difference in cost between them and a roll-your-own
system is about the cost of a Windows license. If you do not
plan on running Windows on it, it pays IMHO to buy a "local"
company's product, e.g. Ivory or KSP and avoid the extra
cost.<br>
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No Windows or Mac OSX, so I'll stick to KSP or Ivory who
seem to have competitive prices. Besides, I don't like HP
for various reasons, and I wouldn't touch PB (they still
exist?!) with a ten foot pole. ;-)<br>
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Thanks, Geoff,<br>
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-- <br>
Oleg Goldshmidt | <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pub@goldshmidt.org">pub@goldshmidt.org</a><br>
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