<div dir="ltr">Another thing I just thought of.<br>As has been correctly pointed out, kids this age are nearly always end-users.<br>So why not point out the end user experience of Linux? Lots of eye-candy, stability, not needing to reboot every time you install a program, the simplicity of finding and installing programs (package managers), great runtime on old hardware...<br>
In fact, that might be a nice class or group project for them to do, resurrect an old defunct computer and install Linux on it.<br>מחשב לכל ילד is a nice program, but we all know that they lack funds. How cool would it be for this class to have an entire bank of computers that people have thrown out and work perfectly well? Half of the computers in my house are +6 years old and run Linux. Why not the classrooms?<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Nadav Har'El <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nyh@math.technion.ac.il">nyh@math.technion.ac.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
There have been some very good ideas in this thread (and I'm collecting them<br>
to use on my daughter when she's a little older ;-)), and I just wanted to<br>
add my two cents:<br>
<br>
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011, Alex Shnitman wrote about "Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?":<br>
<div class="im">> Come on, guys, kids don't give a rat's ass about what's legal and what<br>
> isn't. Even many adults don't. Those arguments may work in corporations, but<br>
> certainly not in a school. Same thing about vendor lock-in: you're talking<br>
> in adult terms here, they know nothing about it and they don't care.<br>
<br>
</div>I agree. But it's not exactly that kids don't care what is illegal and what<br>
isn't - (most of) the same 13-year-old kids will not be shoplifting, or<br>
stealing from friends, for example - but when kids see that the *norms* are<br>
different from the *written laws*, they tend to accept the former (if they<br>
even know the latter). When a kid sees all kids around him are copying<br>
software, and no adult is doing anything to actively stop it, he learns that<br>
it is acceptable.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> The first thing I'd stress is customizability, as Mordechay has excellently<br>
> mentioned. "Imagine that you write code that is then used by millions of<br>
> people all over the world." That kind of thing talks to kids. The second<br>
> thing is the community aspect: you can enter chat rooms / forums and get<br>
> help for the software you use. And if you wrote something or became an<br>
> expert in something, people will come to you for advice. That's really cool.<br>
<br>
</div>I think we need to separate between two completely different types of kids -<br>
wanabee-programmers, and the rest of the kids.<br>
<br>
To wanabee-programmers, I'd stress the customizability, possibility to modify<br>
everything the program does, learning from other people's code, publishing<br>
your version to others, and so on, as well as the community aspects. You<br>
can tell them that with Linux they can do on their home computer amazing<br>
stuff like run their own servers just like the big companies do.<br>
<br>
To everyone else, I doubt these will be interesting - I doubt that 80% of<br>
the kids in a typical class will even consider looking at source code, or<br>
hang around in "geeky" forums about software. To these kids, I do believe<br>
that other issues can be appealing, including freeness (tell them their<br>
parents can save 1,000 shekels when buying a new computer by not buying<br>
Windows or Office), and, belive it or not, convenience (Linux distributions<br>
come with hundreds of software, that on Windows you need to install<br>
separately).<br>
<br>
You can also tell them that X% of the Internet's servers use free software,<br>
that their favorite companies like Google, Facebook or whatever use them,<br>
and so on.<br>
<br>
You can tell them that Linux programmers are rarer and make more money in<br>
the job market ;-)<br>
<br>
You can tell them about the possibility of running both Windows and Linux,<br>
e.g., using a live CD or a virtual machine (although the latter is pretty<br>
complicated).<br>
<br>
And tell us how it went!<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Nadav.<br>
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