<div dir="ltr"><div>I have been reading quite a lot of messages about this topic. I feel (and this is my feeling only) that it has been talked enough. Mr. Stallman doesn't want to be here. He doesn't care about the other side of the story, and he is so much about his own religion, that he forgets that each coin has two sides.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I say - Halas (it was in Arabic, too!). Let him be. A boycott is as effective as the boycottee cares. I don't care anymore. I won't go there, because, to my eyes, such a strong opinionism without even an attempt to see the other side, as Mr. Stallman shows both in his recent dealings with the local politics and local conflict between two nations who have nothing to do with him, and showed in the past regarding various concepts of how and what to code (some of them were enough to make a movement, to start something, but they are not necessarily the thing which is required to keep it going), and how things "should" be, shows me how irrelevant he is.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Blocking your ears to alternate views is a bad thing. We should not encourage such actions, neither of strangers, nor of ourselves. We have the option to show our point of view, and that means, that if it were to me, the lecture, if at all, would have taken place somewhere near Gaza, so he experiences the rockets flying over our heads. Because there is no contravention about these locations. But this is nothing more than an imagination. Wasted time, just like this e-mail message. It doesn't matter. He doesn't care, he doesn't want to look at the other side of the coin, and by boycotting us, he exposes his own stubbornness. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Halas. Don't waste your time with him.</div><div><br></div><div>Etzion<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="rtl">2011/6/13 Tom Balazs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom123online@gmail.com">tom123online@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div>I would have been happy to say this thread had run it's course, but this response from RMS and (his apparent "associate" / "organizer") Kobi Snitz is too much.<br><br>Mr. Snitz advises both myself and RMS that in order to make sure the talk in Israel meets the standards of the BDS-supporting organization which is "hosting" RMS then the talks in Israel must be both sponsored by a BDS supporting organization and held in a hall "owned/run" by a BDS supporting organization. Snitz's words were, "in order to not violate the boycott the sponsors and the place should be dissenting israeli groups and institutions".<br>
<br>It seems that Mr. Snitz is a mathematician, anarchist, and leader in the BDS (boycotts, divestment and sanctions) against Israel movement. If you'd like to read more about Mr. Snitz you can use the links below. (Responses from Kobi Snitz and from RMS are also below.)<br>
<br><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/shin-bet-puts-israeli-anarchists-in-crosshairs-1.333140" target="_blank">http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/shin-bet-puts-israeli-anarchists-in-crosshairs-1.333140</a><br>
- "He was not the only anarchist the Jewish department dealt with that week. Five days earlier, Kobi Snitz was attending a conference when he received a call from an unidentified number. The caller told him, 'Shalom, this is Rona from the Shin Bet. I'm sure you've heard about me.'"<br>
- "She said she wanted to invite me for a friendly conversation and for us to exchange thoughts," said Snitz, 39, an anarchist activist and a mathematician. He asked whether he was being called in for an interrogation and when she said no, he said, no thanks. In 2009, Snitz served a 20-day sentence over an attempt a few years earlier to prevent the demolition of a house in Kharbatha, a village west of Ramallah. Two months ago, he was given another five-day sentence over a protest against the Second Lebanon War in 2006."<br>
<a href="http://www-users.math.umd.edu/~snitz/" target="_blank">http://www-users.math.umd.edu/~snitz/</a><br><a href="http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=7985&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en" target="_blank">http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=7985&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en</a><br>
<a href="http://www.radicalendar.org/calendar/all/all/display/85445/index.php?view=event&fulldate=2009-07-04" target="_blank">http://www.radicalendar.org/calendar/all/all/display/85445/index.php?view=event&fulldate=2009-07-04</a><br>
<a href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/38551113/In-support-of-the-Palestinian-human-rights-community-call" target="_blank">http://www.docstoc.com/docs/38551113/In-support-of-the-Palestinian-human-rights-community-call</a><br>
<a href="http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=4993" target="_blank">http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=4993</a><br>
<a href="http://pipl.com/directory/name/Snitz/Kobi" target="_blank">http://pipl.com/directory/name/Snitz/Kobi</a><br><a href="http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6410&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en&the_session_id=0e356a3b68ae0e5dd29aefaf7ef56e77&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=21f827e2775005995748ebab68617a46" target="_blank">http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6410&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en&the_session_id=0e356a3b68ae0e5dd29aefaf7ef56e77&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=21f827e2775005995748ebab68617a46</a><br>
<a href="http://www.israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6189&page_data[id]=162&cookie_lang=he&the_session_id=cfbd3321f483be8d97e01a3d1db248bf&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=049669b2ba65f1c3fedf5a76c53d45aa" target="_blank">http://www.israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6189&page_data[id]=162&cookie_lang=he&the_session_id=cfbd3321f483be8d97e01a3d1db248bf&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=049669b2ba65f1c3fedf5a76c53d45aa</a><br>
-----------------------<br><br>from Kobi Snitz <a href="mailto:ksnitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">ksnitz@gmail.com</a><br>to <a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org" target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a><br>date Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:30<br>
subject Re: Finding a hall in Haifa<br>
mailed-by <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>signed-by <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br> <br>hide details 09:30 (1 hour ago)<br> <br>I am missing the earlier part of this correspondence but I can say that in order to not violate the boycott the sponsors and the place should be dissenting israeli groups and institutions. In tel aviv my first thought was the women's coalition for peace. I talked to their head last night and she said that they've never done anything about free software and she feels it is strange for them to do it. The upcoming boycott law scares off many other potential sponsors but I am looking.<br>
kobi.<br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><br>From: Richard Stallman <<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org" target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a>><br>Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:37<br>Subject: Finding a hall in Haifa<br>
To: Tom Balazs <<a href="mailto:tom123online@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom123online@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Kobi Snitz <<a href="mailto:ksnitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">ksnitz@gmail.com</a>><br><br>It seems they want the event to be sponsored by an organization that<br>supports the boycott, but they don't mind if that organization rents a<br>
hall. I am not sure if they have requirements about what sort of<br>organization it can be rented from. Kobi could tell you.<br><br> 2. The dates: Are the correct dates the evening of Thursday 21-Jul-2011, and<br> the afternoon of Friday 22-Jul-2011?<br>
<br>Yes.<br><br>--<br>Dr Richard Stallman<br>President, Free Software Foundation<br>51 Franklin St<br>Boston MA 02110<br>USA<br><a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>, <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.<br> Use free telephony <a href="http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/" target="_blank">http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/</a> <br></div>
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