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On 07/17/2011 08:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote:
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Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM<br>
Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including
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To: Tzafrir Cohen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Written off-list,<br>
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On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:26:39PM +0300,
Mordecha Behar wrote:<br>
> 2011/7/17 Dima (Dan) Yasny <<a
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> > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr
Dunkelman <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM,
Michael Shiloh<br>
> >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> To be more general, it is unheard of<br>
> >> for a prospective guest to set<br>
> >> >> political conditions for
his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man<br>
> >> >> is a boor, and should
have been ignored.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I'm not sure that's true.
Haven't musicians and other performers used<br>
> >> their<br>
> >> > platform as a way to express
agreement or disagreement with particular<br>
> >> > political positions for ages?<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Michael<br>
> >><br>
> >> It is very rare in computer
science to mix politics and work.<br>
> >> Actually, this is true for most
exact sciences.<br>
> >><br>
> >> As for RMS, who is an advocate of
freedom of rights, he has just<br>
> >> agreed to accept money (travel
costs) in exchange for giving away his<br>
> >> freedom of speech.<br>
> >> Tz'e Wolmad...<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> > /me don't see what the argument is
about. I'll simply vote against RMS's<br>
> > and his politically inclined friends
bs with my feet by _not_ going. End of<br>
> > story<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> Yes, there is that.<br>
> But thanks to the law passed last week we
can also take affirmative action.<br>
> I don't think that suing RMS or the FSF
will be a good idea, or even<br>
> feasible (IANAL and I'm pretty sure that
this law doesn't hold for<br>
> people/groups from abroad) but we might be
able to sue the group financing<br>
> his trip.<br>
> Again, I'm not sure that that's even a good
idea. But it is possible.<br>
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While I find RMS's actions silly and damaging, I
will take no part in<br>
such an action. I might even consider donating that
group some money to<br>
cover their expences in case you actually go through
with your actions.<br>
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I'm for free speach here.<br>
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Now, count to 10, relax a bit, read things through,
and don't follow up<br>
on a flame fest.<br>
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Nobody has challenged his right to free speech. Speech is not the
issue. Personally, I would not be offended if he where to visit each
of the major cities and get up on a soapbox at main intersections to
express his views. What he is trying to do is to inflict his
opinions of a conflict of which he can't know very much, on an
entire organization, and to extract the agreement of that public to
the rectitude of his views -- although they may well have views that
are quite different. That is what makes him a boor, ya'ani, Am
haAretz, and offensive.<br>
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Hey, I'm not saying we <b>should</b> sue, I'm just
saying it's an option. And not a good one.<br>
We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of
open software, and probably burn several bridges which
will be very hard to rebuild.<br>
I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science
and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like
unwashed feet.<br>
I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga
unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before
this.<br>
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Oh, and: GetTheFacts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://stallmanfacts.com/" target="_blank">http://stallmanfacts.com/</a>
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Cheers,<br>
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