<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 4, <a href="tel:2011" value="+9722011" target="_blank">2011</a> at 11:44 AM, guy keren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:choo@actcom.co.il" target="_blank">choo@actcom.co.il</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Wed, <a href="tel:2011-08-03" value="+97220110803" target="_blank">2011-08-03</a> at 12:13 +0300, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote:<br>
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> On Wed, Aug 3, <a href="tel:2011" value="+9722011" target="_blank">2011</a> at 11:15 AM, guy keren <<a href="mailto:choo@actcom.co.il" target="_blank">choo@actcom.co.il</a>> wrote:<br>
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> except for one thing: the number of "manot" that one will<br>
> actually get<br>
> is a big unknown - and this is not written anywhere clearly.<br>
><br>
> The standard is 5 for a full timer. One additional mana you can get<br>
> from your advisor, and you can get upto 7 if you win a special prize.<br>
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</div>so a new person should assume 5 "manot". and then again - i'm not sure<br>
if this is the case in all faculties. it also changes from time to time,<br>
as far as i know (i.e. during the previous high-tech recession - <a href="tel:2003" value="+9722003" target="_blank">2003</a> or<br>
<a href="tel:2004" value="+9722004" target="_blank">2004</a> or so) - i've heard of a person in a different faculty, who got<br>
less then 5 "manot" in the beginning. i wonder what was the case in CS<br>
at that time.<br>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div>In other faculties in the Tecnnion the scholarship may depend on working as a TA (this is illegal, to pend scholarship on work, but done by many), or you might not get a scholarship until you submit a research proposal (PhD in Architecture, for example), or you might get a very reduced scholarship until you do so (Biomedicine, I believe). </div>
<div><br></div><div>Another aspect you have not considered, planning for the worst, is that scholarships are time limited. If you are not done by the allotted time, you find yourself without money and without benefits which go with the scholarship (e.g., the right for dorms or an office or kindergarten).</div>
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> in addition, the ability to become a teaching assistant is not<br>
> clear in<br>
> advance - and this can have a noticeable effect too.<br>
><br>
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> In the Technion in CS, it is hard NOT to be a TA, if you are an<br>
> internal student.<br>
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</div>unless you registered very late - in which case sometimes all TA<br>
positions could have been full for the first semester.<br>
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when people are making financial preparations - they should plan for the<br>
worst case and make sure they'll be able to get by.<br>
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--guy<br>
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> On Tue, <a href="tel:2011-08-02" value="+97220110802" target="_blank">2011-08-02</a> at 21:55 +0300, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda<br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://grad.technion.ac.il/heb/" target="_blank">http://grad.technion.ac.il/heb/</a> ; Go to Melagot - Clali.<br>
> > This is getting a bit OT, IMHO, and a bit RTFM.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Orna<br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Aug 2, <a href="tel:2011" value="+9722011" target="_blank">2011</a> at 2:53 PM, Shahar Dag<br>
> <<a href="mailto:dag@cs.technion.ac.il" target="_blank">dag@cs.technion.ac.il</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> > Hi<br>
> ><br>
> > If you are an internal student and a teaching<br>
> assistant, then<br>
> > (at list at the Technion) you can get a scholarship<br>
> + some low<br>
> > salary. I don't know what is the current amount<br>
> ><br>
> > Shahar<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Gelberg"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:antony.gelberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">antony.gelberg@gmail.com</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > To: "Shahar Dag" <<a href="mailto:dag@cs.technion.ac.il" target="_blank">dag@cs.technion.ac.il</a>><br>
> > Cc: "Linux-IL" <<a href="mailto:linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il" target="_blank">linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il</a>><br>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, <a href="tel:2011" value="+9722011" target="_blank">2011</a> 11:27 AM<br>
> > Subject: Re: Postgraduate studies<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Very interesting, thank you. How many hours per<br>
> week did you<br>
> > have to<br>
> > devote to the MSc? As for enjoying studies less, I<br>
> hear you<br>
> > but I<br>
> > think I would less-enjoy having no cash-flow to pay<br>
> the bills.<br>
> ><br>
> > I have also been considering whether a second degree<br>
> in<br>
> > management<br>
> > e.g. MSc Management, or MBA may be more beneficial<br>
> career-wise<br>
> > than<br>
> > another geeky MSc. :)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 2011/7/31 Shahar Dag <<a href="mailto:dag@cs.technion.ac.il" target="_blank">dag@cs.technion.ac.il</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony<br>
> Gelberg"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:antony.gelberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">antony.gelberg@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > To: "Linux-IL" <<a href="mailto:linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il" target="_blank">linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il</a>><br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, <a href="tel:2011" value="+9722011" target="_blank">2011</a> 6:53 PM<br>
> > Subject: OT: Postgraduate studies<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > (I hope this isn't so off-topic as<br>
> to cause<br>
> > offence.)<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm an computer scientist and oleh<br>
> chadash ,<br>
> > just finished ulpan bet<br>
> > plus. 15 years experience in the<br>
> field, 1.5<br>
> > years in Israel, was CTO<br>
> > of a startup last year, this year<br>
> I've been<br>
> > mostly studying Hebrew.<br>
> ><br>
> > So now it's time to polish off my CV<br>
> and<br>
> > further my career. I've been<br>
> > browsing the main Israeli high-tech<br>
> websites<br>
> > today, as an example I<br>
> > was just looking at the IBM Research<br>
> Labs -<br>
> > very interesting indeed.<br>
> > However most positions seem to<br>
> require an MSc.<br>
> > There is a definite<br>
> > cultural difference between here and<br>
> the UK in<br>
> > terms of second degrees<br>
> > - I don't have one. I'm 34 and don't<br>
> want to<br>
> > hang about forever, but<br>
> > at the same time I might consider<br>
> postgraduate<br>
> > studies if they were<br>
> > really useful career-wise.<br>
> Naturally, it's<br>
> > also too late in the year<br>
> > to apply for the upcoming academic<br>
> year...<br>
> ><br>
> > I'd be interested to hear any<br>
> thoughts from<br>
> > the list on whether it<br>
> > would be a Good Idea to consider an<br>
> MSc at<br>
> > this point, or whether I<br>
> > should settle for a role where<br>
> "just" a BSc is<br>
> > required, and see if I<br>
> > can work with future employer to<br>
> study whilst<br>
> > I work...<br>
> ><br>
> > Antony<br>
> ><br>
> > Hello Antony<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I have a first degree in computer<br>
> engineering from the<br>
> > Technion (faculty:<br>
> > electrical eng.). After several years of<br>
> working as<br>
> > computer engineer, I<br>
> > also got an Msc. from the Technion. My Msc<br>
> is in<br>
> > artificial intelligence and<br>
> > I did it as external student again in<br>
> electrical eng.<br>
> > since (at the time)<br>
> > they were more liberal regarding external<br>
> students.<br>
> > The only difference from<br>
> > learning in computer science is that I had<br>
> to take an<br>
> > advanced course in<br>
> > mathematics. Learning in parallel to full<br>
> time job is<br>
> > not easy, but I think<br>
> > that the main disadvantage is that you don't<br>
> have time<br>
> > to enjoy your study.<br>
> > You do only the bare minimum and you don't<br>
> have time<br>
> > for extra courses,<br>
> > seminars and special lectures.<br>
> ><br>
> > When I look back, I think that a<br>
> professional MSc. was<br>
> > a mistake (I never<br>
> > felt it helped me at work, but who knows), I<br>
> should<br>
> > instead do a second<br>
> > degree in management.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I hope that I gave you some helpful hints<br>
> ><br>
> > Shahar<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda.<br><a href="http://ladypine.org" target="_blank">http://ladypine.org</a><br>
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