<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, E.S. Rosenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:esr@g.jct.ac.il" target="_blank">esr@g.jct.ac.il</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2013/7/7 Ori Idan <<a href="mailto:ori@helicontech.co.il">ori@helicontech.co.il</a>>:<br>
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> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson<br>
> <<a href="mailto:geoffreymendelson@gmail.com">geoffreymendelson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 7/7/2013 1:20 AM, Micha Feigin wrote:<br>
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>>> On the other hand as memory serves, you can run your books using an open<br>
>>> source software and then submit the printouts to a certified accounted<br>
>>> to make a legal report. You may need to work with generic receipts in<br>
>>> parallel though.<br>
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>> As it was explained to me by my accountant, the tax authorities don't care<br>
>> how you keep YOUR books, they only care that the submissions to them are<br>
>> done properly.<br>
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>> Properly means that an accepted (certified?) program is used and that the<br>
>> data was entered by a level 3 (starts at 1) certified bookkeeper or a<br>
>> certified public accountant (CPA).<br>
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>> In real terms this means for small business the data is sent to your<br>
>> accountant and they (or their certified bookkeeper) enters it into their<br>
>> program on their computer and submits that to the tax authorities.<br>
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>> At that point the responsibility for the data being entered properly and<br>
>> the program being a legal one is borne by your accountant and not you.<br>
>><br>
>> IMHO this is preferable because my experience in being an independent<br>
>> consultant, the owner of a small consulting firm, and involved with startups<br>
>> over various times, is that any money spent paying a professional to keep<br>
>> your books and prepare your tax returns is well worth it. YMMV.<br>
>><br>
>> Most accountants will accept data in XLS (Excel spreadsheet format), so<br>
>> you can enter the data in an Excel spreadsheet and send them the file.<br>
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>> I assume that an Excel spreadsheet created and maintained by OpenOffice<br>
>> would be acceptable to them.<br>
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>> Geoff.<br>
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> Tax authorities has nothing against OSS software and they already gave<br>
> approval to OSS software twice (Drorit, my software and it's fork Linet,<br>
> both GPL).<br>
> The real truth is that they only ask to see several things:<br>
> 1. Invoices can not be deleted and numbered sequentially without repeating.<br>
> 2. No simple ability to delete transcations<br>
> 3. Output of what they call Open Format files, these are files with all<br>
> transactions in a special format they require.<br>
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> That is all, no question about OSS or not.<br>
> There was a debate last time they registered Linet and they agreed to<br>
> register it so they have nothing against OSS.<br>
> GNUCASH can not be registered since it can not output Open Format files.<br>
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> Note that I have good experience and knowledge about the subject as I make a<br>
> living out of Accounting software.<br>
> I have written several software packages and also consult business about the<br>
> same.<br>
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</div></div>Both drorit and linet run server side, gnucash runs on my computer and<br>
the tax authority has no way of knowing whether I doctored my version<br>
of gnucash.<br>
Even with drorit and linet, will the tax authority accept it if I<br>
install it on my server (and as a result have full control over all<br>
the demands you listed) or did they only approve the version running<br>
on company X's servers?<br>
Logically it seems only the second would be the case...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Linet does not run on a server it is run locally.</div><div>The request is that you can not change or delete transactions from the software itself or by a normal user.</div>
<div>There is no request to not be able to change at all. They accept that knowledgeable user with root privileges on the system can delete transactions.</div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Ori Idan</div><div><br></div>
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