<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Shlomi,<br></div>I really don't want to flame you or anyone else, I am a more junior member of this list.<br></div>However I am on this list to see things about *nix related technology in Israel and during some periods also looking for jobs (be it for myself or for friends).<br>
</div>Your e-mail is not "Slightly OT" it's squarely OT, we aren't here to discuss philosophy, stand up comedy/philosophy or even to discuss "real problems in the software industry" through fiction.<br>
</div><br>I could understand it if one of our member actually got turned down or something like that for bad reason that they may have wanted to blow of steam (though I think it would be very unwise since any potential future employer may see the mail too) and started a discussion about some problem or other (marked as OT) but this is not that.<br>
<br></div>Though I found the originally posted story mildly entertaining in the end of the day I am not on this list to be entertained, I have other sources for that, I am on this list to educate and be educated, to help and be helped in the area of *nix and *nix related technologies.<br>
<br></div>I am sure there are lists out there that appreciate the type of posts you have been making a lot recently, but I doubt it's linux-il, if you do choose to continue posting please mark as OT.<br><br></div>Regards and שבת שלום,<br>
</div>Eliyahu - אליהו<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-11 10:17 GMT+03:00 Amos Shapira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amos.shapira@gmail.com" target="_blank">amos.shapira@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1366510848/h28F3DD64/" target="_blank">https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1366510848/h28F3DD64/</a><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 11 July 2014 16:34, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shlomif@gmail.com" target="_blank">shlomif@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello Dan,<br><br></div>thanks for clarifying your position. Let me reply.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Dan Yasny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyasny@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shlomif@gmail.com" target="_blank">shlomif@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">1. What makes you feel this is "spam"? I don't see it as unoslicited bulk E-mail.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Any email sent to a list is "bulk". And I didn't, in any way, solicit this Emma Watson bs, nor your pleas for funding or support. </div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In this case, I may well as argue that a job offer for a Java Enterprise software developer with 5 years of experience in Java sent to this list is spam as well, because: 1. It's bulk. 2. I didn't solicit it nor am interested in it. But I don't argue that is the case.<br>
</div><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>The very least you could do, out of common courtesy (I really hope you know what that is) is mark your email as offtopic, you know, like everyone in every other LUG does, with the [OT] marker in the subject? </div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't feel it is offtopic. The fictional interview highlights several real problems with the software industry. Like I said earlier, some people get a knee-jerk reaction to fiction, but fiction is not only often an effective tool as writing an essay, but often superior. A lot of ink was spilled about how the concept of an Abrahamic God was harmful until this delivered a swift deathblow to it - <a href="http://www.roflcat.com/ceiling-cat-is-watching-you-masturbate" target="_blank">http://www.roflcat.com/ceiling-cat-is-watching-you-masturbate</a> . Furthermore, there was a significant risk that the USA will get carried away into unnecessary paranoia during the late 60s until Sesame Street started airing as a show depicting a happy, safe, carefree street where children live and have fun together with adults, animated animals and even cute furry monsters (!!).<br>
<br></div><div>Nevertheless, I am willing to mark it as "[Slightly OT]".<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>This way I, and anyone else not interested in anything but the technology this list is about, can filter it out, and let you keep spamming those who are for some reason interested.</div>
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<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">2. What makes you feel it kills a good and useful mailing list?<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>As soon as a list(/community/forum/etc) turns into an offtopic promoting medium, the useful and productive community members leave. I've managed enough forums to see that happen.</div>
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<div> </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There may be a more significant risk of this list becoming overly dry, too inbred (see <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=larry-wall-all-truth-is-gods-truh" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=larry-wall-all-truth-is-gods-truh</a> ), and too routine. We need to constantly seek external influences: from other operating systems, from other fields of knowledge, from popular and not so popular culture, from linguistics, history and humanities, from ancient sources, etc. <br>
<br></div><div>Otherwise we risk stagnation. My post was not off-topic, just made use of some popular culture metaphors. Do you agree?<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Vague complaints are vague. ;-)<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Nothing is vague here. This is off topic, your stories aren't interesting, aren't funny and would not belong in a LUG, even if they were.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>First of all you're stating these things as facts instead of saying "I don't find them interesting, funny, etc." or "IMHO, they are non funny". Like someone once told me "In my opinion, it's a fact.". You'll evoke much less antagonism if you follow this guideline.<br>
<br></div><div>For the record, quite a few people told me that they liked one or more of the things I wrote, and if you ask me - if one person besides me enjoyed my work - it was a spectacular success:<br><br><a href="https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/UdiPzsSGc66" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/UdiPzsSGc66</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I don't mind writing a study / midrash of the Emma Watson interview story for those who are not familiar with its sources and subtleties, but many people liked it even without that.<br><br></div>
<div>------------<br><br></div><div>I hope I made myself clear. Please reply to the list if you have any further objections or comments.<br><br></div><div>Best regards,<br></div></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-- Shlomi Fish<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
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