<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Sara,<br><br></div><div>To calculate the said cost, we will need to know the input wattage/amperage of whatever they installed there. If for example it's 1watt (not saying that it is), the cost would be negligible. Tripled the electricity cost? From how much?<br><br></div><div>Without numbers, we can only guess. Let's say the equipment (what is it? isn't it a simple fiber to ethernet converter? something similar to <a href="http://www.fibrolan.com/FibroLAN/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=108&FID=1223&PID=3990&IID=3852">http://www.fibrolan.com/FibroLAN/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=108&FID=1223&PID=3990&IID=3852</a> ?) consumes 2A on 12V so 24W. Power to run such a device for 24 hours a day, 30 days a month would be 24 x 24 x 30 = 17.28kWh. Price of <span id="gmail-ctl00_PlaceHolderMain_ctl00_AuthoringContainer1"><span lang="HE">1kWh is 55.29 agorot (based on <a href="https://www.iec.co.il/homeclients/pages/tariffs.aspx">https://www.iec.co.il/homeclients/pages/tariffs.aspx</a>)</span></span>, so for monthly usage of 17.28kWh, the price would be 9.55 NIS - this of course should be divided by the number of households in the same entrance. If there are for example 10 households, each one will pay less than 1NIS/mo. per device with such consumption.<br><br></div><div>Of course, it may consume much more. Can you please take a look at either the rated wattage on the device(s), or, if not rated, the model(s) of it, so its' spec sheet could be looked up online to find out the actual cost to be attributed to these devices? Thanks!<br></div><div><br></div><div>By the way, YES also put amplifiers that consume electricity from the building 24x7x365... and perhaps such amplifiers are also installed for reception of IDAN+ public broadcasts. Likely they're all nothing compared to power consumption for lighting fixtures and elevator engines...<br><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- Shimi<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:31 AM, sara fink <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sara.fink@gmail.com" target="_blank">sara.fink@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi Geoff<br><br></div>I have some bad critics about unlimited. Besides what was mentioned in this list, I can tell you that they install communication equipment on the building entrance without installing separate electricity clock. This equipment serves the whole building but only one entrance pays for the whole building (I checked it with them, so this is the situation). This is what they did where my mother lives. Now imagine that this equipment works 24x7x365 and calculate how much this electricity costs. I can tell you that in the case where my mother lives, the electricity bills jumped 3 times more compared to previous bills. <br><br></div>When I sent them an email they didn't even bothered to answer. According to their web page you don't know who is the personnel. Just a simple email (to which they don't answer) or phone. <br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Alon Barzilai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alon@skylinesoft.com" target="_blank">alon@skylinesoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi, <br>
<br>
If you plan to buy a modem/router this list (in hebrew) may help.<br>
<br>
<a class="m_-1731719764132223521m_-3603891320743179557moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm" target="_blank">http://www.netcheif.com/Articl<wbr>es/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm</a><br>
<br>
about unlimited: <br>
they have a very limited areas where they have service, and they
expand very slowly.<br>
<br>
hot may have better infrastructure than bezeq at some areas ( this
is my case). they do not have CAPTCHA in their routers. <br>
it might be a good idea to ask you neighbors what they use, and if
they are happy with it.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Alon.<div><div class="m_-1731719764132223521h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="m_-1731719764132223521m_-3603891320743179557moz-cite-prefix">On 7/16/2017 11:30 PM, Geoff Shang
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hello,
<br>
<br>
This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me. Also, there
is a direct connection to Linux if you read far enough.
<br>
<br>
We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to
change ISP and infrastructure providers. I'm hoping you all can
help us decide who to go with.
<br>
<br>
Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have
been prepared to pay for it. Up until two years ago, we were
happily using Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN. But
then we started running into a problem.
<br>
<br>
My wife and I are both blind. When we got our service reconnected
in November 2015, after being out of the country for six months,
we discovered that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in
addition to the username and password. Moreover, this CAPTCHA has
no audio challenge, only visual ones.
<br>
<br>
This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to
administer it, and while there are solutions that can help a blind
person solve these challenges, you of course need to be connected
to the Internet to use them, which limits their usefulness in this
case.
<br>
<br>
When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure
from Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people
you pay for the infrastructure provide the router. Unfortunately,
they also had a CAPTCHA challenge on their login page, so this did
not help particularly.
<br>
<br>
Late last year, we tried switching to 012. To be honest, I can't
remember if they have a CAPTCHA or not. I have found the Internet
in this apartment less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if
this is due to the ISP, the phone line or the poor wi-fi
performance in this apartment.
<br>
<br>
One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both
now and previously, is bad router firmware. I've seen problems
caused by on-board DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of
the number of times I've cleared up some issue we've been having
by rebooting the router.
<br>
<br>
So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks
(<a class="m_-1731719764132223521m_-3603891320743179557moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/" target="_blank">https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/<wbr>edgerouter-poe/</a>). This device runs
a modified Debian Linux distribution. I've not yet set it up, but
I'm looking to do so once we move.
<br>
<br>
To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of
modem device only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied
router in bridged mode.
<br>
<br>
As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm
also looking at other connectivity options.
<br>
<br>
I see that the Electricity company is now offering a
fibre-to-the-home service called Unlimited (<a href="http://unlimited.net.il" target="_blank">unlimited.net.il</a>). At
least according to the English language pages, which may well not
be up to date, they only seem to have a handful of ISPs, none of
which I've had anything to do with. Furthermore, I don't know
anything about their reputation (it's difficult to find much in
English), and I obviously don't know anything about their end
equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and
whether or not it has a CAPTCHA.
<br>
<br>
I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home
solution as well, but I don't know how true this is and I also
don't know if equipment for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA
that I've never figured out how to disable.
<br>
<br>
I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless
someone can make a very good case for them
<br>
<br>
If you've read this far, I thank you.
<br>
<br>
As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might
be difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep.
<br>
<br>
My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order:
<br>
<br>
* Fast
<br>
* Reliable
<br>
* Usable with third-party routers
<br>
* Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA.
<br>
<br>
Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers,
so any thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome. I'm more
interested in quality and capacity than the usual bells and
whistles the big ISPs have that no-one ueses anyway.
<br>
<br>
If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to
hear them. As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders
soon.
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,
<br>
Geoff.
<br>
<br>
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