<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I estimate it's about 15 to 20 minutes after reboot that I can start apache successfully. Otherwise, I can't start apache.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="direction:rtl"><div style="direction:rtl">אורי</div><div style="direction:rtl"><a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:23 AM Eli Marmor <<a href="mailto:eli@netmask.it">eli@netmask.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Please run:<div dir="auto">apachectl start</div><div dir="auto">from the command line, and copy the response to this list.</div><div dir="auto">If there is no error, please copy the relevant lines from the error.log of apache2.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 7:12 AM אורי <<a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Running the command "sudo apachectl configtest" returns "Syntax OK".</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Running "sudo systemctl restart apache2" doesn't respond. But a few minutes ago it worked and the website worked. I rebooted again and now again it's not working. The problem is that apache doesn't restart after rebooting.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="direction:rtl"><div style="direction:rtl">אורי</div><div style="direction:rtl"><a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:29 AM אורי <<a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your suggestion, I decided to upgrade to 18.04.4 and I ran a few times the following commands (from root):</div><div><br></div><div>sudo apt autoremove<br>sudo apt-get update<br>sudo apt-get upgrade<br>sudo apt update<br>sudo apt upgrade</div><div><br></div><div>I have 4 servers and I upgraded all of them and 3 of them are working properly, however one server apache is not working, I can't restart apache (with "sudo systemctl restart apache2" - it's not responding) and the website is not working. How can I fix it now?</div><div><br></div><div>The server didn't respond after reboot once (after 2 reboots) and I had to shut it down and restart it again.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Uri<br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="direction:rtl"><div style="direction:rtl">אורי</div><div style="direction:rtl"><a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:29 PM Micha Bailey <<a href="mailto:michabailey@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michabailey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Regarding the upgrade to Focal (20.04): There’s no reason to rush. Bionic (18.04) is supported, if I’m not mistaken, until 2023. In fact, Bionic (LTS) users aren’t even offered the upgrade (i.e. you need to go out of your way to get it) until 20.04.1 is out in a few months.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regarding the upgrade to 18.04.4, I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that point releases aren’t new versions of Ubuntu per se. At point releases, new isos are spun with up-to-date packages, but it’s still the same version. Assuming you make a habit of installing updates regularly (which you obviously should be), you will effectively automatically be on 18.04.4.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:44 PM אורי <<a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Actually I have a staging server which I can upgrade first to 18.04.4 to see if it works, or if something breaks. But I didn't find it on Google - how do I upgrade an OS to Ubuntu 18.04.4 (from 18.04.*) without upgrading it to 20.04?</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="direction:rtl"><div style="direction:rtl">אורי</div><div style="direction:rtl"><a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:19 PM Shlomi Fish <<a href="mailto:shlomif@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">shlomif@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Uri!<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:30 PM אורי <<a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I'm sorry for posting twice in the same day to the same mailing list. But I have a question: I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS for a few production servers (one of them I upgraded a few months ago from 14.04). How important it is to upgrade the OS version, or can I keep it like this? I'm afraid that things will break up if I upgrade. And if I upgrade, should I upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04.4 or 20.04? I think since 20.04 has been recently released, it might have bugs which will be fixed later, and I prefer not to use the first version of 20.04 but to wait about one year before I use it. Is there a risk with keeping using 18.04.3? Or should I upgrade at least to 18.04.4?</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I've answered the general question here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/shlomif/Freenode-programming-channel-FAQ/blob/master/FAQ_with_ToC__generated.md#will-a-change-i-would-like-to-do-break-some-functionality" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/shlomif/Freenode-programming-channel-FAQ/blob/master/FAQ_with_ToC__generated.md#will-a-change-i-would-like-to-do-break-some-functionality</a></div><div><br></div><div>Quoting it:</div><div><br></div><div><h3>Will a change I would like to do break some functionality?</h3>
<p>As the <a href="https://github.com/shlomif/shlomif-email-signature/blob/master/shlomif-sig-quotes.txt#L1988" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">aphorism</a>
goes: <q>The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, there
is no difference between theory and practice, while in practice, there is.</q>. There is usually
a risk, however small, that a change will break some functionality. With good tooling (such
as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_control" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_control</a> , <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine</a> and
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-level_virtualisation" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-level_virtualisation</a> ) it should be relatively easy to
revert a change which introduced regressions, and you should do adequate testing.</p>
<p>A change may have to be avoided due to being estimated as too time or money
consuming, or as having too little gain. However, promising changes
should be attempted because:</p>
<ol><li>"No guts - no glory."</li><li><a href="https://szabgab.com/what-does--if-it-aint-broke-dont-fix-it--really-mean.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">What does "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" really mean?</a></li><li>If you never change anything, your project won't progress.</li></ol>
<h3>----------</h3><div>While you may break some functionality by updating to 18.04.04 , you also risk being affected by known security vulnerabilities (which may also break functionality sooner or later). There is a concept of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt</a> .</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding updating to 20.04, it is likely more time consuming and may have more breaking changes, and you may not need all the newest and shiniest software versions there, and you may wish to only update to ubuntu 22.04/etc. I didn't hear of too many horror stories of ubuntu 20.04 being unusable or unstable, but I'm quite out of the loop.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck!</div><div><br></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Uri.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="direction:rtl"><div style="direction:rtl">אורי</div><div style="direction:rtl"><a href="mailto:uri@speedy.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uri@speedy.net</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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