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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/05/2021 20:51, Omer Zak wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">After sending the E-mail message reproduced below, I checked the
mailing list archives and did not find there Diego's E-mail.
So he apparently limited his E-mail message's distribution to his
victim and to the mailing list's administrators.</pre>
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Except I, as a mailing list administrator, did not get it (and, yes,
I did check the spam folder). As I said before, I'm not sure whether
that was done on purpose or not.
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However, I believe that Ori did the right thing by letting the Linux-IL
mailing list members know that some people want to unsubscribe him from
this mailing list due to an indictment.</pre>
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I have no particular opinion about "right". I highly doubt it was
"smart". Like I said before, however, my opinion on the matter worth
exactly as much as what you've paid to hear it.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Sun, 2021-05-09 at 20:28 +0300, Omer Zak wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">However, in more enlightened times, the courts in Israel used to work
under the principle that a person is presumed to be innocent until
proven otherwise.
This is equivalent to: you failed to prove a point, so we assume the
opposite point when we need to make decisions.</pre>
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I was referring to your bold assertion that Ori was incriminated. An
assertion that, as far my personal evidence gathering has turned
out, seems highly far-fetched. With that said, I'm sure that if Ori
will forward me the slander suite he promised he is filing against
Y-Net, I will find it illuminating, and am entirely open to the
possibility I will change my mind.<br>
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Regrettably, the courts have not been following this principle in the
case of Tair Rada's murder and presumably in other cases.</pre>
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<p>The courts, in Israel and elsewhere, have been known to err in
the past. I'm not sure Roman Zadorov's case is a good example,
except in above-mentioned court of public opinion, where he made a
very effective campaign indeed. Anyone who wants to debate the
issue with me is kindly requested to:</p>
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<li>Do it off list</li>
<li>Read the high court's <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://supremedecisions.court.gov.il/Home/Download?path=HebrewVerdicts\10/390/079/w53&fileName=10079390.w53&type=4">verdict</a>
first.</li>
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<p>BTW, there is a name for someone who has a strongly held opinion
on the matter and have not done #2 above yet: prejudice. Willfully
ignorant probably also fits the bill.<br>
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I am old fashioned so I happen to prefer the traditional presumption
of
innocence, as long as is not abused by lawyers who nitpick the
meaning
of words in laws.</pre>
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<p>You do realize that society is not bound by above mentioned
presumption on innocence, and in many cases, nor should it.</p>
<p>With that said, as I mentioned before, I don't think Ori's, or
anyone else's, behavior unrelated to this list should matter for
the question of whether they should be able to continue to post
here.</p>
<p>Shachar<br>
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