[RBS] kikars, traffic and taxes

[marsha twersky]

when can we expect a kikar at Maor/Dolev?
That intersection is a disaster waiting to happen!



> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Stewart Karnoff <stewartkarnoff at yahoo.com>
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> The new traffic circles will help during the peak times, and 
> giving tickets to those who park against traffic will also help. 
> Here are other simple recommendations to alleviate some of the 
> traffic woes. 
> 
> Drivers should not make u-turns when there are 50 cars going each 
> way. Better go a few meters further to a traffic circle or around 
> the block.
> Drive a few meters further and let your children out near the 
> curb, rather than double parking.
> Is there a way to prevent the garbage trucks from doing their 
> pickups on Sorek and Dolev between 7:30 - 8:15 in the morning? 
> Tried talking to the Iriya, and got the runaround.
> Ticket those who drive through the school crossing guards' 
> barriers (which I've seen happen more than once).
> Traffic lights to operate only during peak hours, for example at 
> Sorek/Kishon, where the traffic circle is overwhelmed.
> 
> SK
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Zvi Yeres <zvi at amav.net>
> To: Yachad Shifman <jyachad at bezeqint.net>; list at shemesh.co.il
> Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 2:39:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [BS/RBS list] kikars, traffic and taxes
> 
> 
> Yes, those intersection do indeed need traffic circles. This is 
> somethingthat can clearly be seen while observing these 
> intersections during the peak
> of to/from school traffic with all the kids crossing and busses, vans,
> minivans etc trying to navigate these intersections as well.  
> There is
> really no doubt about the need for traffic circles here including 
> otherintersections that also need them.
> Having said that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the design is 
> the best
> one. As with most designs - 2 different designers will come up with
> different solutions. I agree that it seems that Sorek/Lachish 
> needs more of
> an offset for the downhill traffic but not being familiar with all the
> design issues and knowing that they had to work in very limited 
> space, I
> won't be quick to judge. In any case, the new situation at 
> sorek/lachishimproves safety by allowing children to cross one 
> direction at a time and it
> improves traffic flow - sounds good to me.
> There are definitely other intersections that are calling out for 
> trafficcircles:
> Dolev/Ayalon
> Dolev/HaYarden
> The other Sorek/Lachish
> Just to name a few.
> >From my understanding, some of them have actually already been 
> designed and
> are waiting for budget approval.
> 
> Regarding costs - it's very hard to put a price on these things 
> withoutknowing what is needed - do they need to move light poles, 
> sewers and
> manholes? Are they renewing underroad piping while they're at it? 
> What kind
> of landscaping is going to be done - simple? Expensive? All these 
> thingsaffect the price greatly with prices ranging from tens of 
> thousands to
> hundrends of thousands of shekels and anywhere in between.  In 
> most cases,
> most if not all the budget comes from outside sources like the 
> ministry of
> transportation or Housing ministry and not much from the Iriyah.
> 
> Now if we can just get them to move the crosswalk near the matnas 
> on Dolev
> to a better and safer location 10 meters away...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Yachad Shifman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:19 PM
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> Subject: [BS/RBS list] kikars, traffic and taxes
> 
> 
> the amount of money spent on the 2 new kikar on Lachish/Sorek and 
> Refaim are
> totally baffling me and i am desperately  looking for an 
> explanation. Please
> send one quick  before i  explode.
> Please use the following to guide your answer.
> 1) have their been any accidents  or an exceptional number or 
> problems in
> either of these locations
> 2) are we giving up parking, precious parking spots for the new 
> Refaim/ Luz
> kikar ?
> 3) did we request these?
> 4) DO WE NEED THESE????
> 5) how much do they cost?
> 6) who pays?????
> 7) NB: this is a big one: ARE THEY EVEN MINIMALLY EFFECTIVE?  
> Driving down
> Sorek, a driver barely needs to slow down, thus rendering the kikar
> useless. Aha, "but what about the other direction ?" a clever mind 
> would
> ask. Well, who needs to be slowed down  going  UPHILL?? Yes, the  
> size of
> the kikar does force a  driver to detour widely and slow down, but how
> useful is that when  going uphill already?  Ok, ok, I  KNOW there 
> are 2
> schools there, my son went to  one , but I am  anxious to hear 
> some views.
> Was it really made just to keep cars from turning around 
> dangerously there?
> I just can't come up with any other answer.
> 
> As for the Refaim / Luz one they are in the midst of building 
> which includes
> reducing sidewalk space to  widen the road,  I ask again: ARE WE 
> LOSINGPARKING?? And again, one direction serves no purpose 
> whatsoever in slowing
> traffic...
> 
> No stop lights or stop signs in the town is a wonderful concept. 
> No  doubt ,
> kikars are a great contribution. I  just can't yet fathom where is the
> sechel  behind these 2 new ones . And by the way, if anyone knows the
> approx cost (go ahead, guess!), I'd LOVE to know.
> 
> sigh,
> Yachad Shifman
> jyachad at bezeqint.net