[YBA] i4i vs MS?

[Danny Lieberman]

Geoff

IBM lumping project/custom development revenue with patent licensing revenue
is misrepresentation of patent value by 2.5 orders of magnitude.

Buy the book on Amazon.

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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:06 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Danny Lieberman wrote:
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>> They later wrote a full length 323 page book - which I got after reading
>> the paper (which was a teaser I guess...)
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> Ok, the GROKLAW article said they were in the process of writing. I'd love
> to see that book.
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>  The book deals with fundamental problems of patents - fuzzy, unpredictable
>> boundaries, possession and scope of rights, patent flood (software/way of
>> doing business patents are relatively new...) The empirical evidence is that
>> patents don't behave like property.
>>
>
> At least the evidence shown. Evidence is not proof. Evidence is always
> limited by your filters. In this case what you know, what you read, and what
> they told you.
>
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>  They spend an entire chapter bringing empirical data regarding how much
>> patents are worth to their owners -relating market value of public firms to
>> their assets including their patent portfolio.
>>
>
> That also depends upon how much you spend. You can file a patent for $100
> in the US, but if you want it to hold up at all you have to hire someone at
> the level of Sandy Kolb, which will cost you around $100k if there is no
> need for him to fight it. From experience, if you hire a cheap patent agent,
> you get what you pay for (or don't).
>
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>  For example - IBM began listing IP and licensing royalties  in their
>> annual financial reports beginning in 2000 - about $1.5billion +/- per year.
>>  The majority of the $1.5BN is value of IP sold off by IBM including IP held
>> by divisions they sold off as well as custom-development revenue.  The
>> actual amount of revenue from their patent licensing program is far less -
>> about $125M gross the cost of IBM's several hundred patent lawyers.
>>
>> The $1.,5BN figure is an urban legend.
>>
>
> I disagree. What's the difference between selling off something you bought
> (or created) in one lump sum, or in bits. You can make money on selling a
> live cow or you can make money on selling hamburgers. Same as selling off a
> company, or selling single user licenses.
>
> BTW, I remember when ALL IBM software was free.
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> Geoff.
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> geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
> Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendelson at gmail.com
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