Google Chrome vs. Firebox or good old Internet Explorer?
Shlomi Fish
shlomif at iglu.org.il
Sat Dec 26 13:51:42 IST 2009
On Saturday 26 Dec 2009 02:02:15 Micha wrote:
> On 25/12/2009 23:29, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Dotan Cohen<dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I tested all 3 browsers (Google Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer)
> >>> with Gmail, and the fonts look best with Internet Explorer! The fonts
> >>> in Google Chrome and Firefox don't look good, I can't explain it but
> >>> the fonts in Internet Explorer look better!
> >>
> >> Turn on anti-aliasing for all programs. This is a known issue in
> >> Windows.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't know how to do that. I'm stuck with the default. But
> > I think the programmers themselves (of Google Chrome and Firefox)
> > should have taken care of this issue.
>
> It's not something that the programmers can control in this case. Its a
> fuck with the shitty piece of software called windows.
>
Well, they could offer to toggle this option in Windows on in the installer.
> >>> I think they should
> >>> improve Google Chrome and Firefox, I have problems with other websites
> >>> and not only my bank. It's bad, websites should work well with all
> >>> browsers but the web developers don't bother to test them! It's much
> >>> cheaper to test only with Internet Explorer and ignore the rest. But
> >>> I prefer Internet Explorer, I will not switch to another browser if
> >>> the fonts don't look good, I don't hear anything when clicking links
> >>> etc. I'm not the usual end user who doesn't know how to install new
> >>> browsers, I tested 3 browsers and chose Internet Explorer! Maybe in 5
> >>> years I will change my mind, maybe not. Today I think Internet
> >>> Explorer is the best browser. I wouldn't recommend anything else to
> >>> others!
> >>
> >> Other than the fonts (which you can fix by turning on anti-aliasing)
> >> and the clicking sound (which an addon fixes), what other advantages
> >> does IE have? I personally like IE 8 when I use Windows, but I find
> >> Firefox even better. This is a serious question.
> >
> > My bank (hapoalim) website does not look good in Firefox and Google
> > Chrome. Other websites as well. IE is installed automatically on any
> > computer with Windows, this helps when you get used to it and it's
> > installed on public computers around the world. If I use a public
> > computer when travelling, chances are I'm using IE. I tried Firefox
> > and Google Chrome, for example with Gmail, and I think they are less
> > good than IE.
>
> Israely banks are notorious for horrible site design practices.
>
Indeed.
> As for IE around the world, I ran into more and more computers running
> linux. I also always traver with a portable version of firefox and
> thunderbird on a usb disk (Actually also skype for those windows computers
> that don't have it installed). Greatly reduces the risk of password theft
> (those computers around the world are usually set to store passwords and
> such).
So you're using the Firefox password manager for that? I'm just interested to
know how you overcome the keyloggers / password sniffers.
>
> Personally, I introduced my wife to firefox and since then she refuses to
> touch Microsoft, she just stopped using any sites that don't support it.
>
> And now that Leumi has a iphone app we don't need explorer even for that.
>
I don't have an iPhone (nor do I want one). But FIBI ("Habenleumi") works fine
in Firefox on Linux from what I've tried. (Which is why I switched to it.)
> >>> Sorry, I can't. I have files in Excel and Word, they never look the
> >>> same with Open Office, and I'm using them.
> >>
> >> If you have non-confidential files that look different in OOo, please
> >> send them to me so that I could file a bug and improve OOo. Thanks.
> >
> > Sorry, my files are confidential. But I'm not using Open Office, I
> > have a version of Microsoft Office on my computer and I'm used to it.
>
> My condolences
>
> > I suppose I can convert my Word and Excel files to Open Office if I
> > want to, but my Access software will have to keep running on Microsoft
> > Access& Windows. I wrote this software for the company I work for,
> > Pazgal, since 1996 and until now. It has about 80 forms, 40 reports
> > and more than 200 queries, 80 tables and a lot of Visual Basic code.
> > If I were to write this program again in a new platform, it would take
> > me years! And I don't know which platform can replace Microsoft
> > Access.
>
> Access is one of the worst databases around. sql is a much better choice,
> although I'm not a database person so I can't recomend environments. Visual
> basic is also pure crap in my opinion, but I guess I'm as biased against
> Microsoft as you are for it.
>
I should note that Access is SQL-based and used the Microsoft Jet Engine last
I've heard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Jet_Database_Engine
Back in my first real programming job, I used the Access DDE (the predecessor
of OLE) interface to send SQL statements to Access and get back results. That
was with Access 2.0 on Windows 3.11. I actually learnt SQL from the Access
help files. Access contains a query designer that ends up generating SQL for
you, and other features such as forms, which were of little interest for me at
that time, because I was only interested in it as a storage backend.
(I should note that after using Access and eventually switching to ODBC to the
Jet Engine, we ended up realising that using SQL for our needs would be too
slow (to say nothing of not reliable), and that we had to use something
faster. So we ended up using the original in-memory lookup (using arrays of C
structs) that I originally started to work on.)
Regarding "Visual Basic" - Microsoft has been using many dialects of Basic and
"Visual Basic" in its products - Access Basic, Word Basic, Visual Basic
1.0-6.0 (with back compat), Visual Basic for Applications, VBScript, Visual
Basic .NET., etc. The original Visual Basic 6.0 was now end-of-lifed and has
never been portable to anything except Windows, but is still actively used and
maintained.
One can develop web apps (or GUI apps) that work against a database backend in
a similar way to what you can do with Access, using Perl/Python/Ruby/PHP/etc.
but it will require more programming know-how, and a less WYSIWYG environment.
> Each time I touch word (usually to change one equation in an exercise file
> or solution) I regret it and end up copying the entire file to latex as it
> takes me less time than to make it presentable with word.
>
> >>> And Access - I don't know
> >>> about any alternative to Access. I'm stuck with Windows.
>
> Like I said, sql, but it will require converting the software to something
> that is not junk.
SQL is a very vague term. There are many SQL-based databases both free and
non-free: SQLite, PostgreSQL, MySQL (with many active forks), Firebird,
Oracle, Informix, Microsoft SQL Server, Sybase, Ingress, naturally MS
Access/Jet database and the list goes on. They all use slightly different SQL
dialects, and provide different C APIs and different environments provide
various unified access layers and ORMs (Object Relational Mappers):
http://perl-begin.org/uses/databases/
Telling someone to use SQL is like telling someone to "use UNIX".
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
>
> >> There is none. OOo Base is nowhere near the level that Access is, even
> >> for simple home users.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dotan Cohen
> >>
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