OFFTOPIC: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?

[boaz at rymland.com]

"Not so fast"...

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:18:13 -0800, Aviram Jenik <aviram at jenik.com> wrote:
> Tal Kaplan, from pczlaw, was kind enough to give me a detailed
> explanation(*) 
> about this matter.
> 
> First, to answer both Dotan and Boaz, it should be a relatively simple
> process 
> to get 1,000 NIS for every incoming hebrew spam. Think about it as a gift

> from a stranger. The process is documented on the isoc site (link was
> given 
> in some other post in this thread). Remember you have to prove very
little
> 
> (that you got the spam) while they have to prove a lot (that you gave
them
> 
> permission to send you spam. They need to actually PROVE it).
> 
> Second, involving a lawyer will not help - you need to sue in small
claims
> 
> court, since the 'hashaom' court will look at you strangely if you come 
> claiming such a small sum. Neither hashalom nor small claims court set 
> precedence so it doesn't really matter. The cost (legal and otherwise) in

> small claims is much lower. So for all these reasons small claims is the
> way 
> to go unless you are going to file a TVIA IZUGIT which you probably don't

> want to do unless you have a lot of free time.

I know, I know. I read at the time quite well the internet resources (like
on ISOC) on the 
procedures and implications of the new law.

> 
> The only down side is that in small claims you have to file and appear 
> yourself, without a lawyer. This is basically the reason I haven't done
it
> 
> yet. I'm saving my gifts^H^H^H^H^Hhebrew spam in a special folder for
when
> I 
> will have a few free hours to put it in the isoc tempate and go to small 
> claims to file it. Spam keeps piling up in it and it gives me the feeling
> of 
> a piggy bank. Oh, how things have turned.

That's exactly the reason why I haven't done it myself as well. The
necessity to appear in court
which means taking a day off or something.

A few complimentary questions:
1) Have anyone heard of successful small claims suits so far? Is it that
easy, straight-forward and 
pretty sure to have a win?
2) Are you NOT allowed to be represented by somebody authorized by you?
(YIPUI KOACH).
3) Anyone know if I can accumulate and coordinate several suits,
administratively, to one court appearance? If the 
answer is yes, then that would make it easy for me to proceed, since 1000
NIS isn't that much when you deduct the day off cost you have in your
standard day time job. 

Boaz.


> 
> 
> (*) This is the explanation as I remember it. If there are inaccuracies
it
> is 
> probably my bad memory and not Tal's fault.
> 
> - Aviram
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:16:41 Boaz Rymland wrote:
>> Similarly, due to time constraints I'm not currently performing any
>> active steps with the several spam emails that I have received lately,
>> all from some coaching/spiritual spammer.
>>
>> If there's a lawyer or someone with enough spare time on his hands in
>> the crowd who wishes to raise the glove please reply privately.
>>
>>
>> Boaz.
>>
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> > I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new
>> > anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would
>> > prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own
>> > expense. What legal tools do I have?
>>
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