Where to learn Linux?

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Hi Dov,
Not far off at all from the original question. The first thing that I look 
for in an employee or consultant is is he has this feel for the state that 
you mention. If the employee has only used Windows or Mac at the GUI 
level, then the chance of his understanding the system state is very small 
because the visual pane of Windows and Mac that is designed to make things 
easy effectively prevents all understanding of the system state.

  - yba


On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Dov Grobgeld wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:39:51 +0200
> From: Dov Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld at gmail.com>
> To: Elazar Leibovich <elazarl at gmail.com>
> Cc: Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba at tkos.co.il>, linux-il <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: Where to learn Linux?
> 
> I think it there is something more subtle going on, and that is the concept
> of a state. The state is "where you are" and I feel the big difference
> between GUI and command line operation is in the latter, the state is
> available without heavy visual interaction. Once you have used the system
> enough, you "feel" the state, and you build a motoric memory for moving from
> one state to another. With GUI systems you never reach that proficiency and
> you have to do more guess work and more hunt and peck to move from state to
> state. It may be easier the first time to use a GUI, but the second and the
> third time, you'd be better off typing the command, because it is much more
> repeatable.
>
> So the difference between Unix/Linux and Windows in this sense is that in
> Unix/Linux you have full control of the system from the command line where
> you can have this feeling for "where you are".
>
> Anyhow, this is sliding into something that is quite far off from the
> original question.
>
> Regards,
> Dov
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:06, Elazar Leibovich <elazarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Writing an email without the screen is perfectly doable even within vanilla
>> windows machine, with nothing installed.
>> Say, for XP: Windows key -> down down -> Enter [Now outlook is running] ->
>> Ctrl+n -> write email address -> Tab Tab Tab -> write subject -> Tab ->
>> Write Content -> Ctrl+Enter.
>>
>> Not to mention how easier it is when launchy style programs are installed.
>>
>> And in both systems it is impossible to do that unless you have a fairly
>> good knowledge of the system (which email client is installed? Should you
>> type mutt or pine? etc.)
>>
>> 2010/3/14 Dov Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld at gmail.com>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 14:37, Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba at tkos.co.il>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even a guy who just shows up with a Dvorak keyboard, no mouse and does
>>>> everything inside of EMACS gets an offer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This more or less describes me, so do I get the job? :-) Also reminds me
>>> of the time a number of years ago when I had turned in my monitor for
>>> repair, and then returned home to my computer without a monitor. Just for
>>> the fun of it and to prove I don't know what, I turned the computer on,
>>> logged in, wrote an email of a page and a half, printed it out to see that I
>>> didn't make too many mistakes which I hadn't and then and sent it off. When
>>> I tell that story to Windows users, they don't even understand what I'm
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>>  - yba
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:34:04 +0200
>>>>> From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: linux-il. <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
>>>>> Subject: Where to learn Linux?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been using Linux as an end user for several years, but now I
>>>>> think that I might like to make a career out of *nix administration.
>>>>> Where are some good places to get a certificate from? Is an online
>>>>> certificate as good as an offline course? What online certificates are
>>>>> honourable? What real-world courses in Israel are recommended?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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