Beyond Stallman

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Dear Friends,
As community it is time for us to look beyond Richard Stallman.
There are more important and smarter people around who are worthy of our 
efforts. To wit, Nina Paley, Allison Randal, Karen Sandler, Rob Weir... 
These people are a league above Stallman. Rather than waste our efforts on 
Stallman we should be starting a dialogue with these other more important 
folks.

  - yba


On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Moish wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 00:03:02 +0200
> From: Moish <moish at mln.co.il>
> To: linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> Subject: [RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
> 
> On 17/07/2011 21:58, Stan Goodman wrote:
>       On 07/17/2011 11:20 PM, Moish wrote:
>             On 17/07/2011 20:39, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
>
>                   On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote:
>                         Hey, I'm not saying we should sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not a good one.
>                         We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software, and probably burn several bridges which will
>                         be very hard to rebuild.
>                         I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed
>                         feet.
>                         I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this.
> 
>
>                   This pretty much says that he is supporting a boycott and that it's fsf.org's policy. IMHO he should be sued. I'm not going to
>                   do it, but if I were presented with a poll or petition would say so.
>
>                   If he did not want to be offensive or politicize himself or the fsf, he could of said "So I decided to not offend anyone......"
>                   but he did not he said that "decided to follow ... the boycott".
>
>                   To toss out some ad homynms, he's a blight on free speech and free software and he and his fsf have outlived their usefulness.
>                   He has crossed the line over which he should never cross, mixing free software with support of terrorists.
> 
>
>                   Geoff.
>
>             Ad Hominem and Ad Rem:
>               Have some of you gone mad ?!
>               Gagging,  prosecution, do i hear execution ?
>
>             Perhaps he's an hypocrite feeble-minded-self-hating-jewish-leftists,  a member of J street, or god forbidden, a liberal,   SO WHAT?
>
>             BLOCKING free speech!  How DARE you!  Have you lost your mind !?
> 
>
>       Arguably, he alone (in concert with his Palestinian hosts), is the one limiting free speech. Nobody here has intimated that he can't voice his views,
>       whatever they are, although there was some talk about expressing them in the name of FSF. The discussion has nothing whatever to dowith free speech.
>
>       The fact is, by the way, that the right of free speech has nothing to do with individuals at all, but is entirely a fence against government. The
>       government of a free country may not forbid expression of protected speech (there are limitations to that as well). Individuals or groups are certainly
>       not obligated to listen. You can't holler "free speech" if somebody insists upon telling you his views that you don't want to hear. The only free-speech
>       issue that would arise in connection with Stallman would be if the Government should forbid or punish him for expressing them.
>
>       The quotations above, beginning with "Ad hominem" and ending with "Have you lost your mind!?" were written by someone who never sat in a Civics class,
>       and who has only the foggiest notion of what "free speech" actually means.
> 
> 
> So, free speech has nothing to do with individuals?  well,  isn't you right of free speech allows you to say
> that I only the foggiest notion of "free speech"?
> 
> Oh my oh my,  and I expected gushing intelect and shrewd arguments.
> 
> And that's the end of me trolling :)
> 
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary
> 
> 1AD HO·MI·NEM
> 
> adj \(ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem, -nəm\
> 
> DEFINITION OF AD HOMINEM
> 
> 1
> : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
> 2
> : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
> 
> AD REM
> 
> adv or adj \(ˌ)ad-ˈrem\
> 
> DEFINITION OF AD REM
> 
> : to the point or purpose : relevantly
> 
>

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