OT: Postgraduate studies

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Hi Antony,
You don't need another degree to earn a reasonable salary in this 
country with the skills  you already apparently have. If you want a 
position in research, or a  titled position such as "CTO" then you will 
need another degree or two.

  - yba


On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Antony Gelberg wrote:

> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:09:16 +0300
> From: Antony Gelberg <antony.gelberg at gmail.com>
> To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba at tkos.co.il>
> Cc: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: OT: Postgraduate studies
> 
> How I bill myself is a whole other can of worms, and has been for
> years.  I don't have a snappy title.
>
> I merely have a CS BSc, so technically I'm not a "computer scientist".
> I've spent the last 15 years involved in software development, mainly
> bespoke, and acquired good PM, business, and sysadmin(!) skills along
> the way.  So I don't see myself as "just" a software engineer, I'm
> broader than that, and PM / BI / SA roles suit as well.
>
> Whether this is a Good Thing in the eyes of people who read CVs is
> unknown, as I have consulted for the last ten years - this is the
> first time in that period that I'm actually looking around in the
> market, considering offers etc.
>
> Antony
>
>
> 2011/7/27 Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba at tkos.co.il>:
>> Hi Antony,
>> If you are a "computer scientist" then you better get an MSc, if not a PhD
>> quick.
>>
>> If you were a "software engineer" then I'd say why bother.
>>
>> If you are a code hacker who writes 5,000 lines a week, then don't bother
>> telling anyone you even have a degree - if they find out, just say you
>> forgot.
>>
>> It depends on how you want to bill yourself.
>>
>> Now as for employers, most want you to work overtime for a few years and
>> then they are more generous about letting you study part-time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  - yba
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Antony Gelberg wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:53:41 +0300
>>> From: Antony Gelberg <antony.gelberg at gmail.com>
>>> To: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
>>> Subject: OT: Postgraduate studies
>>>
>>> (I hope this isn't so off-topic as to cause offence.)
>>>
>>> I'm an computer scientist and oleh chadash , just finished ulpan bet
>>> plus.  15 years experience in the field, 1.5 years in Israel, was CTO
>>> of a startup last year, this year I've been mostly studying Hebrew.
>>>
>>> So now it's time to polish off my CV and further my career.  I've been
>>> browsing the main Israeli high-tech websites today, as an example I
>>> was just looking at the IBM Research Labs - very interesting indeed.
>>> However most positions seem to require an MSc.  There is a definite
>>> cultural difference between here and the UK in terms of second degrees
>>> - I don't have one.  I'm 34 and don't want to hang about forever, but
>>> at the same time I might consider postgraduate studies if they were
>>> really useful career-wise.  Naturally, it's also too late in the year
>>> to apply for the upcoming academic year...
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to hear any thoughts from the list on whether it
>>> would be a Good Idea to consider an MSc at this point, or whether I
>>> should settle for a role where "just" a BSc is required, and see if I
>>> can work with future employer to study whilst I work...
>>>
>>> Antony
>>>
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