OT: Postgraduate studies

[Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda]

2011/7/27 Oleg Goldshmidt <pub at goldshmidt.org>

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> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Antony Gelberg <antony.gelberg at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> (I hope this isn't so off-topic as to cause offence.)
>>
>> I'm an computer scientist and oleh chadash , just finished ulpan bet
>> plus.  15 years experience in the field, 1.5 years in Israel, was CTO
>> of a startup last year, this year I've been mostly studying Hebrew.
>>
>> So now it's time to polish off my CV and further my career.  I've been
>> browsing the main Israeli high-tech websites today, as an example I
>> was just looking at the IBM Research Labs - very interesting indeed.
>> However most positions seem to require an MSc.  There is a definite
>> cultural difference between here and the UK in terms of second degrees
>> - I don't have one.  I'm 34 and don't want to hang about forever, but
>> at the same time I might consider postgraduate studies if they were
>> really useful career-wise.  Naturally, it's also too late in the year
>> to apply for the upcoming academic year...
>>
>>
For most programs and schools, you can start an MSc in the spring semester
as well (enrollment is around November). But (at least in the Technion)
there is also late enrollment for the winter semester, for special cases, so
you can start this October.

If you feel that applying to jobs where "just" a BSc is required (there are
lots of those) is settling, then I think you definitely should do another
degree.

Studying while working is a bad idea usually (if you can afford not to). The
context switches are a waste of time. A big one. The exception is that a
student with no experience has a hard time finding a job. But since you have
already worked, and you are professionally mature, this does not matter to
you. In addition, it is usually frowned upon by both employers and academy.


> I'd be interested to hear any thoughts from the list on whether it
>> would be a Good Idea to consider an MSc at this point, or whether I
>> should settle for a role where "just" a BSc is required, and see if I
>> can work with future employer to study whilst I work...
>>
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> IMHO, an advanced degree may help you get considered for a really
> interesting position and may also help get your CV into the door - at
> certain companies. I doubt that too many places really make an M.Sc. or a
> Ph.D. a _requirement_. If you are looking for a position with a lot of
> independence, doing some kind of "research" or other "advanced" or
> "forward-looking" stuff, it may be useful. If you are looking for
> development or development management (for instance), I doubt there is a lot
> of significance to it.  It depends on the company and on its management: if
> they fancy themselves a "research" outfit and value people who can come up
> with and develop an original idea your chances will improve with an advanced
> degree. If the focus is delivering a product to spec, on schedule, and under
> budget then the effect is likely to be minimal. [This is by no means
> intended as a criticism of any product-oriented company, just an observation
> that is not backed by any real research or analysis.]
>
> IBM Research Labs in Haifa (HRL) do put an emphasis on advanced degrees for
> "Research Staff Member" positions and higher. I'd consider them an
> exception. Maybe other very large companies (Microsoft, Google, Intel?) give
> bonus points. I know some people (chuckle) who went quite far at HRL without
> a degree though, so if you are good and if your CV is impressive even there
> things will be flexible.
>
> A faculty or adjunct position at a university may require a degree.
>
> The chances that your employer will be happy to let you work part time and
> do postgraduate work are not high. Depends on the fit, and this is hard to
> predict. HRL may allow this on occasion. For smaller and more
> product-oriented companies it is less attractive, but may happen. I've seen
> a few cases like that, but this is not common.
>
> FWIW, I have worked at HRL, taught at a university, and worked at a number
> of other companies, and I have an advanced degree... ;-) Overall, I would
> say that a Ph.D. helped a lot to get interesting and at times unusual
> positions in different fields. I got it in my twenties though, you will have
> to assess your own willingness to invest time and effort and to work part
> time or not at all for a while. Maybe being an oleh hadash is an
> opportunity?
>
> By the way, if you decide to try more studies, check - it is quite possible
> you can start a masters in mid-year.
>
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> Oleg Goldshmidt | oleg at goldshmidt.org
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