sponsorship?

sponsorship?

Ira Abramov Lists-Linux-IL at ira.abramov.org
Sun May 29 21:41:59 IDT 2011


Quoting Stan Goodman, from the post of Sun, 29 May:
> 
> Please enlighten me: When he says that the reason Israel doesn't fortify 
> the "border" with the PA, but instead puts up a fence (the one that the 
> PA calls 'Die WAAAALL") specifically to separate Palestinians from their 
> lands, that is not blatantly anti-Israel? That doesn't project the image 
> of the diabolical Jew? In my naivete, I would have thought otherwise.

Not every CRITICISM against a policy is automatically a rejection of the
state that performed it. I think the wall is a horrible humanitarian,
ecological, humane and ethical decision. It's not just me and the UN and
the EU and the US that think that, it's also the supreme court of
ISRAEL. are you of the opinion that we are all anti-Israeli, supreme
court of your own country included?

> Why I said it was twisted is that the fence is, of course, a 
> fortification, and it exists for reasons not unlike those for which 

the fence is collective punishment against an entire population.
the fence is also creating humanitarian problems, seperating people from
property, livelihood, schools, hospitals and beaurocracy. It's also
seperating them from hope and reconciliation. it's creating more enemis
than it is stopping, it is costing billions of my tax payer money.

It is also a very obviuos way of setting the border without
negotiations.

I could go on, but if you believe the fence is a good thing you are
either heartless, racist or a sucker that would swallow anything his
government tells you.

Also, see what I did there? I didn't only criticize my government, I
actually accused it of crimes. Still it's my legal freedom to do so. I
didn't say Israel is not a legitimate country, I'm not anti Israeli
because I believe there are better ways to do this without violence and
oppression. If I thought for a moment that this was irreversible, and
the country IS indeed hopelessly racist, I would stop trying to change
it for the good, leave here and call myself an anti-Israeli. Not
proudly. I'm glad we are not there yet.

> Why would anybody want to listen to this man? Do you think he would 
> stand in front of an Israeli audience and not lecture it on the criminal 
> way Israel treats peaceful terrorists? And everybody in the audience 

that's a false dichotomy and straw man in one blow. please stick to
facts.

> Where is this man from? I understand him to be a Brit, is that right? So 

Well, seems you know less about RMS and Democracy than he knows about
the Israel-Palestine conflict. Congrats. Go get educated before you can
state your opinions in public.

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