From shlomif at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 12:54:57 2014
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:54:57 +0300
Subject: The FSF Announces New Versions of the GPL.
Message-ID: <CANy4znUt1V8nRv_2ejnxs_TpwaLdcAM3RyCfh1Fd_VOmL-7qOA@mail.gmail.com>

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has decided to contribute to
the noble cause of the free and open source software's licences
proliferation ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_proliferation )
and following their popular announcement of version 3 of the
GNU General Public License, or the GPL for short, which is incompatible
with its version 2, they have now announced even
more versions of that popular licence:

http://shlomif.dreamwidth.org/806.html

Which GPL will free and open source software (FOSS) developers choose?

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Best regards,

-- Shlomi Fish

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From miki at epoch.co.il  Thu Apr  3 15:55:09 2014
From: miki at epoch.co.il (Michael Ben-Nes)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:55:09 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <52C98440.3030202@gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U4oONof9=c2UjL4Y6V2=R6FLZXQ78vy8Es=ccsFUUxM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>

Well,
The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads). Now
I have 750k or so :(
The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images

And also important, the ping is reduced

--------------------------------------------------
Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
Cellular: +972-54-4848113
--------------------------------------------------


On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:

>
>
>
> 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:
>
> Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit.
>>
>> Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and
>> now Bezeq can supply only 15mb.
>> I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is
>> excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net.
>>
> You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all
> these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me...
>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
>> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
>> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :(
>>>>
>>>> Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service?
>>>> stability\speed
>>>>
>>>
>>> If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN
>>> uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode.
>>> Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call
>>> and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem.
>>>
>>> Geoff.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
>>> Jerusalem Israel.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>>
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Thu Apr  3 23:31:05 2014
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:31:05 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <52C98440.3030202@gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U4oONof9=c2UjL4Y6V2=R6FLZXQ78vy8Es=ccsFUUxM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHTx_BP7JopmStLKmx4Jx58Nsn59G46GR6sJndzR2VX2oW5onw@mail.gmail.com>

2014-04-03 15:55 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:

> Well,
> The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads). Now
> I have 750k or so :(
>
Was/is the upload truly 3M, as far as I know they promise best effort but
rarely reach promised speeds especially in upstream speeds since most
customers barely care about it, it more overbooked and lower priority.
That said I also like having 1M or more upload when and where possible.

> The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images
>
> And also important, the ping is reduced
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:
>>
>> Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit.
>>>
>>> Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and
>>> now Bezeq can supply only 15mb.
>>> I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is
>>> excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net.
>>>
>> You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all
>> these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me...
>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
>>> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
>>> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
>>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service?
>>>>> stability\speed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN
>>>> uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode.
>>>> Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call
>>>> and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem.
>>>>
>>>> Geoff.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
>>>> Jerusalem Israel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From miki at epoch.co.il  Mon Apr  7 17:45:55 2014
From: miki at epoch.co.il (Michael Ben-Nes)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:45:55 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <CAHTx_BP7JopmStLKmx4Jx58Nsn59G46GR6sJndzR2VX2oW5onw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <52C98440.3030202@gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U4oONof9=c2UjL4Y6V2=R6FLZXQ78vy8Es=ccsFUUxM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BP7JopmStLKmx4Jx58Nsn59G46GR6sJndzR2VX2oW5onw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+HT0U5SRtZuGpkfn8EJ4KLzgzEp+0+ttRQCQo8d0rmexHVfbQ@mail.gmail.com>

The upload was great. True 3M in most reasonable Israeli servers. It was
slower to abroad but it its expected.

--------------------------------------------------
Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
Cellular: +972-54-4848113
--------------------------------------------------


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:31 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:

>
>
>
> 2014-04-03 15:55 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:
>
> Well,
>> The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads).
>> Now I have 750k or so :(
>>
> Was/is the upload truly 3M, as far as I know they promise best effort but
> rarely reach promised speeds especially in upstream speeds since most
> customers barely care about it, it more overbooked and lower priority.
> That said I also like having 1M or more upload when and where possible.
>
>> The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images
>>
>> And also important, the ping is reduced
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
>> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
>> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:
>>>
>>> Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong
>>>> and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb.
>>>> I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is
>>>> excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net.
>>>>
>>> You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all
>>> these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me...
>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
>>>> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
>>>> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
>>>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service?
>>>>>> stability\speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN
>>>>> uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode.
>>>>> Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call
>>>>> and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoff.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
>>>>> Jerusalem Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 01:19:08 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 01:19:08 +0300
Subject: lectures slides and pictures of August Penguin 2013
Message-ID: <CAKsgyTbvLMHYKruuVmeuz38sqVXMbutx17Dyfq2BvPnA4kaoaw@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the links for the slides and the community pictures from last
conference. Later on they will be uploaded to the hamakor server.

Lectures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j0zwbzm5kh9rvix/p0WHiTnhnr
Pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qft1xrhhrtp5z5x/92jwKnDFSq

More Videos will be uploaded later, so stay tuned.

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From amichai at iglu.org.il  Tue Apr  8 16:14:43 2014
From: amichai at iglu.org.il (Amichai Rotman)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:14:43 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <CA+HT0U5SRtZuGpkfn8EJ4KLzgzEp+0+ttRQCQo8d0rmexHVfbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <52C98440.3030202@gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U4oONof9=c2UjL4Y6V2=R6FLZXQ78vy8Es=ccsFUUxM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BP7JopmStLKmx4Jx58Nsn59G46GR6sJndzR2VX2oW5onw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5SRtZuGpkfn8EJ4KLzgzEp+0+ttRQCQo8d0rmexHVfbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_ZK651YUi1XK168=Pr=gGt2Jbrtmrq1LoCVkpKzT=hdd-bcg@mail.gmail.com>

On the same subject:

I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the
same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in
Israel and abroad.

How can I check for the exact cause?

Both Bezeq and 014 say all is OK, but still...

I have a Dropbox client always open, but closing it only freed a bit of
download speed, and did not affect the latency - at 39-57 according to
SpeedTest and 014 SpeedTest sites.

Thanks!

Amichai


2014-04-07 17:45 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:

> The upload was great. True 3M in most reasonable Israeli servers. It was
> slower to abroad but it its expected.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:31 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-03 15:55 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:
>>
>> Well,
>>> The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads).
>>> Now I have 750k or so :(
>>>
>> Was/is the upload truly 3M, as far as I know they promise best effort but
>> rarely reach promised speeds especially in upstream speeds since most
>> customers barely care about it, it more overbooked and lower priority.
>> That said I also like having 1M or more upload when and where possible.
>>
>>>  The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images
>>>
>>> And also important, the ping is reduced
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
>>> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
>>> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes <miki at epoch.co.il>:
>>>>
>>>> Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong
>>>>> and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb.
>>>>> I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina
>>>>> is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net.
>>>>>
>>>> You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all
>>>> these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me...
>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert.
>>>>> http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
>>>>> Cellular: +972-54-4848113
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
>>>>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service?
>>>>>>> stability\speed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN.
>>>>>> NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode.
>>>>>> Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call
>>>>>> and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geoff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
>>>>>> Jerusalem Israel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 17:36:34 2014
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (geoffrey mendelson)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:36:34 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <CAD_ZK651YUi1XK168=Pr=gGt2Jbrtmrq1LoCVkpKzT=hdd-bcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <52C98440.3030202@gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U4oONof9=c2UjL4Y6V2=R6FLZXQ78vy8Es=ccsFUUxM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BP7JopmStLKmx4Jx58Nsn59G46GR6sJndzR2VX2oW5onw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5SRtZuGpkfn8EJ4KLzgzEp+0+ttRQCQo8d0rmexHVfbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD_ZK651YUi1XK168=Pr=gGt2Jbrtmrq1LoCVkpKzT=hdd-bcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53440972.6060702@gmail.com>

On 4/8/2014 4:14 PM, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> On the same subject:
>
> I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at 
> the same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, 
> both in Israel and abroad.
>
> How can I check for the exact cause?
>
As a guess, your latency is high because you are NOT paying for a better 
service package. The cheapest is the "gamer's" which will cut things 
down considerably. Last summer I changed my line from 012 with a gamer's 
package to CCC without. Latency is much lower.

IMHO the program which is most affected by latency is BitTorrent.


Geoff.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
Jerusalem Israel.



From pub at goldshmidt.org  Tue Apr  8 17:55:59 2014
From: pub at goldshmidt.org (Oleg Goldshmidt)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 17:55:59 +0300
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Any LaTeX/Ubuntu users here? I have a stupid problem that I have spent way
too much time researching, and all I see is that years ago there was at
least one related bug open 
that was never resolved, apparently because people found workarounds in
situations much simpler than mine, and the maintainers didn't bother.

I have a bunch of fairly sophisticated LaTeX documents 
that use quite a few things that come from texlive. They are built through
latexmk, everything works perfectly fine on Red Hat systems, including
CentOS and Fedora.

I have a target build platform that is


U
buntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-29-generic x86_64)
.


Everything needed is installed (the various texlive packages, latexmk, all
that it uses
, etc.). It will become obvious in a few moments what makes me so sure.

What does not work is that no cls or sty files are found. The first thing
that throws an error is

! LaTeX Error: File `article.cls' not found.

(obviously, triggered by \documentclass{article}). Yes, the file exists in
the expected place. The fact that it is not found without extra effort
means that something is seriously wrong. If I add the directory where
article.cls lives the same error is through by the first \usepackage{}
statement, etc.

Oh, kpsewhich and kpsewhere do not find article.cls or anything else.

Obviously, I ran (as root/sudo) texhash, mktexlsr, update-texmf, and
everything else I could think of. They all run fine. E.g., texhash creates
ls-R, ls-R-TEXLIVE, ls-R-TEXMFMAIN, etc. under /var/lib/texmf, update-texmf
regenerates /etc/texmf.cnf, and so on. No relief.

I purged and reinstalled texlive - nothing helped.

I got desperate and ran

$ export TEXINPUTS=$(ls -R /usr/share/tex* | awk '/^\/.+:$/ {printf
"%s",$0}').

(including the final dot - for some reason pdflatex did not find files in
the working directory, either). If you don't follow, this adds every single
TeX package directory under /usr/share to the TEXINPUTS environment
variable, which is the path where LaTeX looks for anything it needs.

After this, everything worked.

May I vent now? IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK LIKE THIS!!! Pheewww...

I should not need to put every bloody package directory into my TEXINPUTS.
There has got to be a better way.

Lots of Google hits on Ubuntu forums with complaints about similar
problems, but no solution (at least none that worked for me).

Has anyone here encountered this problem? Solved it? Any ideas?

-- 
Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org
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From d.s at daniel.shahaf.name  Tue Apr  8 18:53:18 2014
From: d.s at daniel.shahaf.name (Daniel Shahaf)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 15:53:18 +0000
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140408155318.GD18857@tarsus.local2>

Oleg Goldshmidt wrote on Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 17:55:59 +0300:
> I got desperate and ran
> 
> $ export TEXINPUTS=$(ls -R /usr/share/tex* | awk '/^\/.+:$/ {printf
> "%s",$0}')"."
> 
> After this, everything worked.
> 
> Has anyone here encountered this problem? Solved it? Any ideas?

- strace to see where article.cls is being looked for at?

- Maybe your user has some TEX* envvars or texmf trees that get in the
  way.  In particular, TEXINPUTS might have been set before you ran the
  'export' command.  Perhaps try building as a new user account (with no
  envvars or trees other than those the build script itself sets)?

Good luck.

Daniel


From sara.fink at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 19:54:21 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 19:54:21 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <53440972.6060702@gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <52C98440.3030202@gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U4oONof9=c2UjL4Y6V2=R6FLZXQ78vy8Es=ccsFUUxM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BMc=GKmcxtCPfO3-1Krbvj92REDdOL68vZZ4tS9LzDuyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5fshyWwXVbxFg0EM=JT15btNX9FEb0i9TwSX0-NwzgZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BP7JopmStLKmx4Jx58Nsn59G46GR6sJndzR2VX2oW5onw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HT0U5SRtZuGpkfn8EJ4KLzgzEp+0+ttRQCQo8d0rmexHVfbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD_ZK651YUi1XK168=Pr=gGt2Jbrtmrq1LoCVkpKzT=hdd-bcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <53440972.6060702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgyTZ1QoW=o0n2N5RBSsBMcuLkv5h8u-VKfNs_=e00O=qp9g@mail.gmail.com>

I also recommended to others CCC as isp, None of them  complains.


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/8/2014 4:14 PM, Amichai Rotman wrote:
>
>> On the same subject:
>>
>> I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the
>> same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in
>> Israel and abroad.
>>
>> How can I check for the exact cause?
>>
>>  As a guess, your latency is high because you are NOT paying for a better
> service package. The cheapest is the "gamer's" which will cut things down
> considerably. Last summer I changed my line from 012 with a gamer's package
> to CCC without. Latency is much lower.
>
> IMHO the program which is most affected by latency is BitTorrent.
>
>
>
> Geoff.
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
> Jerusalem Israel.
>
>
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From pub at goldshmidt.org  Tue Apr  8 20:10:13 2014
From: pub at goldshmidt.org (Oleg Goldshmidt)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 20:10:13 +0300
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20140408155318.GD18857@tarsus.local2>
References: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140408155318.GD18857@tarsus.local2>
Message-ID: <877g6zoih6.fsf@goldshmidt.org>

Daniel Shahaf <d.s at daniel.shahaf.name> writes:

> Oleg Goldshmidt wrote on Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 17:55:59 +0300:
>> I got desperate and ran
>> 
>> $ export TEXINPUTS=$(ls -R /usr/share/tex* | awk '/^\/.+:$/ {printf
>> "%s",$0}')"."
>> 
>> After this, everything worked.
>> 
>> Has anyone here encountered this problem? Solved it? Any ideas?
>
> - strace to see where article.cls is being looked for at?

It is called from the very beginning - at \documentclass{article}. I
don't see how strace can help me figure out why latex is not searching
the path it should be searching.
 
> - Maybe your user has some TEX* envvars or texmf trees that get in the
>   way.  In particular, TEXINPUTS might have been set before you ran the
>   'export' command.  

No. I had checked, of course. TEXINPUTS was empty. Stuff like
article.cls is supposed to be found with empty TEXINPUTS. Ditto for
other stuff that looks relevant (but isn't) such is TEXMFHOME.

The TeX stuff (texlive and friends) was installed on the machine today.

> Perhaps try building as a new user account (with no
> envvars or trees other than those the build script itself sets)?

It was a brand new (specialy created to investigate the problem) user
acount with no customizations whatsoever.

-- 
Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org


From erez0001 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 12:52:06 2014
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:52:06 +0300
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
Message-ID: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>

erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
erez at homer:~$

however:

erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'

and:

erez at homer:~$ grep pppd chat.sh
pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'

strange !!!



btw:
erez at homer:~$ echo $SHELL
/bin/bash
erez at homer:~$ cat /etc/issue
CentOS release 6.3 (Final)
Kernel \r on an \m
erez at homer:~$ uname -a
Linux homer 2.6.32-358.14.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 16 23:51:20 UTC 2013
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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From valery_reznic at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 12:58:34 2014
From: valery_reznic at yahoo.com (Valery Reznic)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 02:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1397037514.20460.YahooMailNeo@web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Strange indeed.
And what is output of:
echo *

and 
echo ./*







>________________________________
> From: Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com>
>To: linux-il <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il> 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:52 PM
>Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
> 
>
>
>erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
>erez at homer:~$ 
>
>however:
>
>erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
>./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>
>
>and:
>
>erez at homer:~$ grep pppd chat.sh
>pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>
>strange !!!
>
>
>
>btw:
>erez at homer:~$ echo $SHELL
>/bin/bash
>erez at homer:~$ cat /etc/issue
>CentOS release 6.3 (Final)
>Kernel \r on an \m
>erez at homer:~$ uname -a
>Linux homer 2.6.32-358.14.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 16 23:51:20 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 12:59:10 2014
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:59:10 +1000
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF9n_WX4tCGREky-tFFT5+E50QUG5NXLw37NjtCU+1et+wWY-A@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps something fishy with the shell glob expansion options. What does
"echo *" give vs "echo ./*"?



On 9 April 2014 19:52, Erez D <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
> erez at homer:~$
>
> however:
>
> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
> ./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>
> and:
>
> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd chat.sh
> pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>
> strange !!!
>
>
>
> btw:
> erez at homer:~$ echo $SHELL
> /bin/bash
> erez at homer:~$ cat /etc/issue
> CentOS release 6.3 (Final)
> Kernel \r on an \m
> erez at homer:~$ uname -a
> Linux homer 2.6.32-358.14.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 16 23:51:20 UTC 2013
> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>
>
>
>
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From matan at svgalib.org  Wed Apr  9 13:17:32 2014
From: matan at svgalib.org (Matan Ziv-Av)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:17:32 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1404091316260.3892@matan>

On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Erez D wrote:

> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
> erez at homer:~$
> 
> however:
> 
> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
> ./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'

Do you have a file whose name starts with a dash (-)?


-- 
Matan Ziv-Av.                         matan at svgalib.org




From pub at goldshmidt.org  Wed Apr  9 17:33:35 2014
From: pub at goldshmidt.org (Oleg Goldshmidt)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:33:35 +0300
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1404091316260.3892@matan>
References: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.LFD.2.11.1404091316260.3892@matan>
Message-ID: <87r456shc0.fsf@goldshmidt.org>

Matan Ziv-Av <matan at svgalib.org> writes:

> On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Erez D wrote:
>
>> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
>> erez at homer:~$
>>
>> however:
>>
>> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
>> ./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>
> Do you have a file whose name starts with a dash (-)?

Definitely a candidate... Some less likely things to check:

Verify there is no alias to grep (or script in path) with --exclude of
some sort, or --null, or some other weird stuff.

Check GLOBIGNORE.

What does "shopt -s" say? Is there anything special, e.g., in extglob?

SHELLOPTS? BASHOPTS?

-- 
Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org


From erez0001 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 17:37:20 2014
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 17:37:20 +0300
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1404091316260.3892@matan>
References: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.LFD.2.11.1404091316260.3892@matan>
Message-ID: <CAMUp3w=6NzP+fCowSSG0Fj3nuzTz4HSHuyrAEA1b=r5FMKTqtw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Matan Ziv-Av <matan at svgalib.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Erez D wrote:
>
>  erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
>> erez at homer:~$
>>
>> however:
>>
>> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
>> ./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>>
>
> Do you have a file whose name starts with a dash (-)?
>
> that was the issue.
i had a file called '-q' .
renaming it solved it

thanks.

>
> --
> Matan Ziv-Av.                         matan at svgalib.org
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 17:49:48 2014
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 17:49:48 +0300
Subject: strange mac address issue
Message-ID: <CAMUp3wn9Y12XGxb3K4-iCBrfDX4VfcgieBZqZdjgkP3LUMwVVg@mail.gmail.com>

i have an embbeded linux board. connected a usb2eth (rj45), and through
that to the lan.

suprisingly, another usb2eth on another copy of the embedded board, has the
same mac address, and so i get conflicts on the network.

swapping different modules of usb2eth on the same board gives same mac
address.
I'll call this mac address 'Mac Address A'

so i wanted to see if linux is causing this issue. i tried to connect these
usb2eth on a win7 machine.

on win7, all of the usb2eth get the same mac address. however this is a
differnet mac address then the previous. i'll call it 'Mac Address B'

on another usb port on the same win7, i get 'Mac Address C'. again it does
not matter which usb2eth i use


All the usb2eth are idVendor=0fe6, idProduct=9700 (dm9601)
(although physically different)

any idea ?
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From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 23:25:44 2014
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:25:44 +1000
Subject: strange ( * vs ./* )
In-Reply-To: <CAMUp3w=6NzP+fCowSSG0Fj3nuzTz4HSHuyrAEA1b=r5FMKTqtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMUp3w=UmM757fyCiaemweMX0eOKH+sWjhbn7J_8JdNXs4uhXw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.LFD.2.11.1404091316260.3892@matan>
 <CAMUp3w=6NzP+fCowSSG0Fj3nuzTz4HSHuyrAEA1b=r5FMKTqtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF9n_WXxYM1dLR-mSzyK5e2bZRGA-6ckLeJQak5kOMYPZc1AYg@mail.gmail.com>

Good catch Matan.
Another way to avoid this is to add "--" (two dashes) after all the flags
and before the file names to tell grep that everything after it is a file
name.
On 10 Apr 2014 00:38, "Erez D" <erez0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Matan Ziv-Av <matan at svgalib.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Erez D wrote:
>>
>>  erez at homer:~$ grep pppd *
>>> erez at homer:~$
>>>
>>> however:
>>>
>>> erez at homer:~$ grep pppd ./*
>>> ./chat.sh:pppd connect 'chat -v -s ABORT ERROR ABORT'
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a file whose name starts with a dash (-)?
>>
>> that was the issue.
> i had a file called '-q' .
> renaming it solved it
>
> thanks.
>
>>
>> --
>> Matan Ziv-Av.                         matan at svgalib.org
>>
>>
>>
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Thu Apr 10 18:28:13 2014
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:28:13 +0300
Subject: Who's counting jiffies when all CPUs idle in NO_HZ mode?
In-Reply-To: <CAHNTFmJLv6gNMiqcPZj9vOj2O_CwTfS4NkE5UsRmyEXY++2Kog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHNTFmKo86OAC-1vG88H_UsAHUD0mv3+aa62GsertjKV2r52VA@mail.gmail.com>
 <533259AB.4010704@shemesh.biz> <53325B67.3060708@shemesh.biz>
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Message-ID: <CAHTx_BNxkUJBmkPhHyKn50TajVFZ953EYoDUwBvw-d1ijFYWpg@mail.gmail.com>

Don't we rely heavily on network time these days too?
Your cellphone would also not be a real example since:
1. It is always a bit active polling the antennae in it's range and
possibly doing scheduled tasks like polling a mailserver/calendar server
etc.
2. The cellphone definitely has network time built in (though it may be
configured to not use it)

Just my uneducated 2c on time...
Eliyahu - ?????


2014-03-26 8:41 GMT+02:00 Elazar Leibovich <elazarl at gmail.com>:

> (If you've been at the office yesterday, maybe I wouldn't have send the
> question ;-)
>
> You've followed my line of thought (thinking that there's always one CPU
> active). In some cases I think all CPUs must be asleep (otherwise, my
> Android's battery would be draining even after I press the power button).
> Still, two consecutive calls to clock_getttime should give a reasonable
> result.
>
> However, I can't find the place where the time is adjusted through the
> hardware clock.
>
> The thing is, the only architecture I can see clocksource other than
> jiffies is s390[0], so I assume hardware internal clock is not used in many
> important architectures. We can only count on the jiffies counter.
>
> The jiffies counter is incremented only by do_timer[1], which is scheduled
> to run do_timer, which runs on xtime_update, which seems to eventually runs
> inside an IRQ handler called in a certain frequency in some systems.
>
> While looking at it, it seems that I found the mechanism I was looking
> for. It looks like the no_sched mechanism, simply lowers the CPU frequency
> , and calculates the jiffies according to the new frequency while the CPU
> is idle[2].
>
> I still need to have a second look, but it looks like the CPU is always
> woken up to count jiffies, but when it's idle it woken up in lower
> frequencies, is aware to the fact it's idle, and thus is counting more
> jiffies per tick.
>
> [0] clocksource_register usage:
> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v3.13.5/+ident=61690701
> [1] jiffies_64 usage: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v3.13.5/+ident=59277722
> [2] tick_nohz_* -
> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v3.13.5/kernel/time/tick-sched.c#L52
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>wrote:
>
>>  Oops!
>>
>> The "one cpu always active" relates to the "full" tickless, not to the
>> idle tickless. Please disregard that answer, except the use of the hardware
>> clocks. I believe it is still valid, but I'll need to look at the source
>> code.
>>
>> Shachar
>>
>>
>> On 26/03/14 06:38, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>>
>> So I answer this here, and then I get a visit in the office with the same
>> question... :-)
>>
>> On 25/03/14 23:04, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
>>
>>  (I'm talking now about MONOTONIC_CLOCK_RAW, not taking NTP adjustment
>> into account)
>>
>>  To my understanding, the basic time counting mechanism at the Linux
>> kernel, is the jiffies counter. The way it counts time, is by leveraging a
>> CPU interrupt happening at a certain known frequency. Every time this
>> interrupt occurs, the interrupt handler would increment a counter. By
>> multiplying this counter with the IRQ's frequency, we can estimate how much
>> time passed.
>>
>>  Now, to my understanding, the NO_HZ_IDLE=y configuration, would prevent
>> any interrupt on idle CPUs.
>>
>> At least for the time being, this does not mean what you think it means.
>> See http://lwn.net/Articles/549580/
>>
>> Even in full tickless mode (properly referred to as "full" tickless
>> mode), the boot CPU is still on a counter. Full ticklessness is still some
>> way away.
>>
>> Even when we do achieve that lofty goal, most CPUs have a hardware
>> counter that counts the time. Just like NAPI for network moved from an
>> interrupt mode to polling mode for performance's sake, so we can do here.
>>
>>
>> So to my understanding, if all CPUs are idle, nothing is going to run on
>> any CPU.
>>
>>   No.
>>
>>  Who would count jiffies then? How can we be sure how much time passed
>> with no hardware clock (as it is the case in some systems), and all CPUs
>> asleep?
>>
>> When we finally move into the utopian full tickless mode, jiffies will
>> lose their original meaning. In full tickless mode, there is no base
>> frequency for the clock. As such, jiffies become an arbitrary number based
>> on which you can decide how much time has passed, and can be set to
>> whatever. How low to set them becomes a question of power management, then.
>>
>> Shachar
>>
>>
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From trosenfeld at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 23:51:46 2014
From: trosenfeld at gmail.com (Tom Rosenfeld)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:51:46 +0300
Subject: [Job] Linux IT-Ops administrator
Message-ID: <CAPn8XMPdDqt9+3yrQMzk-k5snNPB-TigCxHXpZh8ErH4gKYgGA@mail.gmail.com>

Ex Libris Jerusalem is looking for a Linux IT-Ops administrator

Responsibilities :

   - Manage computer room physical infrastructure
   - Install, configure and maintain Linux and Solaris servers
   - 2nd line support for R&D
   - Storage management on NetApp
   - Manage VMware cluster
   - Data backup responsibility for offices around the world





Required experience & skills:

   - RedHat Linux


   - Vmware Vsphere 5.x


   - NetApp  NAS and SAN storage


   - Sun Solaris


   - Project management


   - AIX - desirable


   - Oracle - desirable


Please send your C.V. to me.

-tom
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From pub at goldshmidt.org  Sat Apr 12 09:25:36 2014
From: pub at goldshmidt.org (Oleg Goldshmidt)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 09:25:36 +0300
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ppknm5cv.fsf@goldshmidt.org>

Oleg Goldshmidt <pub at goldshmidt.org> writes:

> What does not work is that no cls or sty files are found. The first
> thing that throws an error is 
>
> ! LaTeX Error: File `article.cls' not found.

FWIW, it looks like the specific server is borked in some weird way. On
a different Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 LTS (that I installed myself rather than
inherited, huh) everything works. 

I have not figured out what the matter is on the problematic
server. Purged everything tex-related, apt-get autoremove, apt-get
clean, reinstalled tex - still no dice. Compared the lists of packages
and the /etc files that looked relevant on the two servers - nothing
blindingly obvious popped out of the background.

If anyone has seen anything similar or has an idea what else to check,
please let me know. If not, feel free to disregard.

Thanks,

-- 
Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org


From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 10:47:57 2014
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:47:57 +1000
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <87ppknm5cv.fsf@goldshmidt.org>
References: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87ppknm5cv.fsf@goldshmidt.org>
Message-ID: <CAF9n_WUM9VZ3GhSEZyYgnt6qeZrS87AQBAv=GvzejUVJmGFF5A@mail.gmail.com>

Shoot it in the head and reprovision it using an automatic provisioning
tool (puppet, chef, whatever):
http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/03/18/servers_pets_or_cattle.jpg
 On 12 Apr 2014 17:12, "Oleg Goldshmidt" <pub at goldshmidt.org> wrote:

> Oleg Goldshmidt <pub at goldshmidt.org> writes:
>
> > What does not work is that no cls or sty files are found. The first
> > thing that throws an error is
> >
> > ! LaTeX Error: File `article.cls' not found.
>
> FWIW, it looks like the specific server is borked in some weird way. On
> a different Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 LTS (that I installed myself rather than
> inherited, huh) everything works.
>
> I have not figured out what the matter is on the problematic
> server. Purged everything tex-related, apt-get autoremove, apt-get
> clean, reinstalled tex - still no dice. Compared the lists of packages
> and the /etc files that looked relevant on the two servers - nothing
> blindingly obvious popped out of the background.
>
> If anyone has seen anything similar or has an idea what else to check,
> please let me know. If not, feel free to disregard.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 18:41:56 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 18:41:56 +0300
Subject: lectures slides and pictures of August Penguin 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTbvLMHYKruuVmeuz38sqVXMbutx17Dyfq2BvPnA4kaoaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbvLMHYKruuVmeuz38sqVXMbutx17Dyfq2BvPnA4kaoaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgyTaDOgHcp7kjwn3UdDx-Zs+N5qcipKyG3bSTLkArZp6zMg@mail.gmail.com>

As per the request of Eli Marmur something happened to the file
links-to-slides-online.txt and the links inside directed to nowhere. I post
again the links in this mail.

jonathan klinger  lecture :
http://prezi.com/6lvbubig8atk/august-penguin-2013-open-source-presentation/



naor weisman

http://www.slideshare.net/forthscale/open-source-monitirng-systems-1


nava levi lecture:

http://www.slideshare.net/levynava/august-penguin-2013-harnessing-open-source-software-oss-and-open-educational-resources-oer-to-democratize-education-nava-levy-lergo


 Ido Kaner lecture

https://github.com/ik5/database_free_application_lecture/tree/ap

Amichay P.K. - lecture


https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10cQjx8JJaIOGlIg67dj6X11P9wO9cwOv1x1q-ldbhsQ/edit?usp=drive_web&authuser=0



On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:19 AM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here are the links for the slides and the community pictures from last
> conference. Later on they will be uploaded to the hamakor server.
>
> Lectures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j0zwbzm5kh9rvix/p0WHiTnhnr
> Pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qft1xrhhrtp5z5x/92jwKnDFSq
>
> More Videos will be uploaded later, so stay tuned.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 23:55:40 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:55:40 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
Message-ID: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone

I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't work
with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli site
instead of the abroad site.

Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way to
make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also doesn't
work for new firefox versions
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From tomer at gmx.net  Wed Apr 16 00:15:50 2014
From: tomer at gmx.net (Tomer Cohen)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:15:50 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>

The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
before submitting your location data once or per-session.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation

Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since this
is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used. The
site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which doesn't
provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated region in
the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based only by
your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your traces.

Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on the
site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
remove any country restrictions for content).




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone
>
> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
> site instead of the abroad site.
>
> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way to
> make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also doesn't
> work for new firefox versions
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>


-- 
Tomer Cohen
http://tomercohen.com
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Wed Apr 16 01:42:14 2014
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:42:14 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHTx_BNKDP5HxTpiibq0jhKNYQiUjxcC377YNiRE8YDQQ29+UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget the site has two ways of guessing where you're from/what
language you want regardless of geolocation:
1. IP as mentioned by Tomer
2. Your browser sends a list of preferred languages to the webserver,
generally the OS locale is the first on the list unless you change it, you
can set/change the order in Edit > Preferences > Content > Languages.


2014-04-16 0:15 GMT+03:00 Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net>:

> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>
> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
> traces.
>
> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on the
> site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
> remove any country restrictions for content).
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone
>>
>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>
>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way to
>> make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also doesn't
>> work for new firefox versions
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Tomer Cohen
> http://tomercohen.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>
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From ronys at gmx.net  Wed Apr 16 08:56:38 2014
From: ronys at gmx.net (ronys)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:56:38 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKUoDdL0Kt1xHW81cDnCpo-WO+UFU0fjGzwaevDHmvcPvqABzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hola (hola.org) might be able to help you re IP addresses.

Rony


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net> wrote:

> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>
> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
> traces.
>
> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on the
> site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
> remove any country restrictions for content).
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone
>>
>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>
>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way to
>> make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also doesn't
>> work for new firefox versions
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Tomer Cohen
> http://tomercohen.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>


-- 
Ubi dubium, ibi libertas (where there is doubt, there is freedom)
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 13:30:39 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:30:39 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgyTaU0UKP4jgKrgqMgDZ4gHaSPM1qW3NPaxQD7EpAHk3wcg@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to use proxy. The site simply doesn't work with anonymous proxy. I
can't even type the data within the site.  I will try also the languages
option and as a last resort hola.


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net> wrote:

> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>
> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
> traces.
>
> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on the
> site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
> remove any country restrictions for content).
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone
>>
>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>
>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way to
>> make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also doesn't
>> work for new firefox versions
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Tomer Cohen
> http://tomercohen.com
>
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 14:03:18 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:03:18 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAHTx_BNKDP5HxTpiibq0jhKNYQiUjxcC377YNiRE8YDQQ29+UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BNKDP5HxTpiibq0jhKNYQiUjxcC377YNiRE8YDQQ29+UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgyTY3S8hipS0SyU-A+0YQK0Gw0wXaE22=Z2hqb6HpoGD2SA@mail.gmail.com>

I checked the languages settings in firefox.  It has only english.

The OS has english and hebrew.


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:42 AM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:

> Don't forget the site has two ways of guessing where you're from/what
> language you want regardless of geolocation:
> 1. IP as mentioned by Tomer
> 2. Your browser sends a list of preferred languages to the webserver,
> generally the OS locale is the first on the list unless you change it, you
> can set/change the order in Edit > Preferences > Content > Languages.
>
>
> 2014-04-16 0:15 GMT+03:00 Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net>:
>
> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
>> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
>> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
>> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>>
>> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
>> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
>> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
>> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
>> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
>> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
>> traces.
>>
>> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on
>> the site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
>> remove any country restrictions for content).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>>
>>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way
>>> to make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also
>>> doesn't work for new firefox versions
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tomer Cohen
>> http://tomercohen.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>>
>
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Wed Apr 16 15:36:29 2014
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:36:29 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTY3S8hipS0SyU-A+0YQK0Gw0wXaE22=Z2hqb6HpoGD2SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHTx_BNKDP5HxTpiibq0jhKNYQiUjxcC377YNiRE8YDQQ29+UQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKsgyTY3S8hipS0SyU-A+0YQK0Gw0wXaE22=Z2hqb6HpoGD2SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHTx_BOrzPH4jow=ACvip3h7CaPeAHnnUY1TWnBD6htB_NU3BQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you have access to a US server you can tunnel through it...
Or paid/free VPN services...


2014-04-16 14:03 GMT+03:00 sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com>:

> I checked the languages settings in firefox.  It has only english.
>
> The OS has english and hebrew.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:42 AM, E.S. Rosenberg <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il>wrote:
>
>> Don't forget the site has two ways of guessing where you're from/what
>> language you want regardless of geolocation:
>> 1. IP as mentioned by Tomer
>> 2. Your browser sends a list of preferred languages to the webserver,
>> generally the OS locale is the first on the list unless you change it, you
>> can set/change the order in Edit > Preferences > Content > Languages.
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-16 0:15 GMT+03:00 Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net>:
>>
>>  The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
>>> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
>>> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
>>> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>>>
>>> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
>>> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
>>> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
>>> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
>>> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
>>> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
>>> traces.
>>>
>>> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on
>>> the site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
>>> remove any country restrictions for content).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>
>>>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>>>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>>>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way
>>>> to make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also
>>>> doesn't work for new firefox versions
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tomer Cohen
>>> http://tomercohen.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
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From amos.shapira at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 01:18:29 2014
From: amos.shapira at gmail.com (Amos Shapira)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:18:29 +1000
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTaU0UKP4jgKrgqMgDZ4gHaSPM1qW3NPaxQD7EpAHk3wcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFrSoReVCgsXhwAGwYYvi17jCaA2LEVb3za5spjAGuhdKSSLXg@mail.gmail.com>
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Have you checked for cookies? Could it be that the site has already tagged
you with a cooky and notices a discrepancy? Try maybe also incognito mode.
On 16 Apr 2014 19:31, "sara fink" <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to use proxy. The site simply doesn't work with anonymous proxy. I
> can't even type the data within the site.  I will try also the languages
> option and as a last resort hola.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
>> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
>> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
>> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>>
>> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
>> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
>> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
>> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
>> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
>> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
>> traces.
>>
>> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on
>> the site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
>> remove any country restrictions for content).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>>
>>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way
>>> to make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also
>>> doesn't work for new firefox versions
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tomer Cohen
>> http://tomercohen.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 12:38:30 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:38:30 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAF9n_WUq2dkbebMfuz9WOB+659snA7jiFCnaVNzWvFZQiQGTxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
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It's not a problem of cookies. I destroy them automatically when firefox
closes.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Amos Shapira <amos.shapira at gmail.com>wrote:

> Have you checked for cookies? Could it be that the site has already tagged
> you with a cooky and notices a discrepancy? Try maybe also incognito mode.
> On 16 Apr 2014 19:31, "sara fink" <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried to use proxy. The site simply doesn't work with anonymous proxy.
>> I can't even type the data within the site.  I will try also the languages
>> option and as a last resort hola.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
>>> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
>>> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
>>> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>>>
>>> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
>>> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
>>> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
>>> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
>>> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
>>> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
>>> traces.
>>>
>>> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on
>>> the site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
>>> remove any country restrictions for content).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>
>>>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>>>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>>>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way
>>>> to make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also
>>>> doesn't work for new firefox versions
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tomer Cohen
>>> http://tomercohen.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
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From sara.fink at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 12:39:40 2014
From: sara.fink at gmail.com (sara fink)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:39:40 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTYfVmC4brsPvK3mTySMJRBuRtWsm6t+GnRixbEcqH=HaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
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it looks like I will have to use some free vpn service


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:38 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's not a problem of cookies. I destroy them automatically when firefox
> closes.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Amos Shapira <amos.shapira at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Have you checked for cookies? Could it be that the site has already
>> tagged you with a cooky and notices a discrepancy? Try maybe also incognito
>> mode.
>>  On 16 Apr 2014 19:31, "sara fink" <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I tried to use proxy. The site simply doesn't work with anonymous proxy.
>>> I can't even type the data within the site.  I will try also the languages
>>> option and as a last resort hola.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Tomer Cohen <tomer at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The browser geolocation feature meant to provide sites access to an accurate
>>>> location data from a GPS receiver or other techniques. This feature is in
>>>> use by Google Maps as well as some other sites, but require your permission
>>>> before submitting your location data once or per-session.
>>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
>>>>
>>>> Sites can't ever access this data without your prior permission. Since
>>>> this is probably not the case, I don't think the geolocation API was used.
>>>> The site in question probably located you by the GeoIP feature, which
>>>> doesn't provide accurate location but a country of origin or estimated
>>>> region in the country. It is more difficult to fake GeoIP since it is based
>>>> only by your IP address, but you can use a proxy or a VPN to remove your
>>>> traces.
>>>>
>>>> Given that said, sometimes it is easier to just change a preference on
>>>> the site to provide you the site in another language (but still this won't
>>>> remove any country restrictions for content).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:55 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't
>>>>> work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli
>>>>> site instead of the abroad site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone knows why this configuration doesn't work? Is there another way
>>>>> to make it work? I tried the extension of geolocater but this one also
>>>>> doesn't work for new firefox versions
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tomer Cohen
>>>> http://tomercohen.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
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From rabin at rabin.io  Thu Apr 17 20:18:54 2014
From: rabin at rabin.io (Rabin Yasharzadehe)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 20:18:54 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTb=ZeGgynhgyBr4c9uUE167+9LQ3anKiFzt5-VHgmVeJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
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?Not directly related, but I use really cheap VPS (12$ year), just for these
things

http://www.chicagovps.net/openvz.html
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From esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il  Fri Apr 18 09:25:30 2014
From: esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il (E.S. Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 09:25:30 +0300
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <87ppknm5cv.fsf@goldshmidt.org>
References: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2014-04-12 9:25 GMT+03:00 Oleg Goldshmidt <pub at goldshmidt.org>:

> Oleg Goldshmidt <pub at goldshmidt.org> writes:
>
> > What does not work is that no cls or sty files are found. The first
> > thing that throws an error is
> >
> > ! LaTeX Error: File `article.cls' not found.
>
> FWIW, it looks like the specific server is borked in some weird way. On
> a different Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 LTS (that I installed myself rather than
> inherited, huh) everything works.
>
> I have not figured out what the matter is on the problematic
> server. Purged everything tex-related, apt-get autoremove, apt-get
> clean, reinstalled tex - still no dice. Compared the lists of packages
> and the /etc files that looked relevant on the two servers - nothing
> blindingly obvious popped out of the background.
>
> If anyone has seen anything similar or has an idea what else to check,
> please let me know. If not, feel free to disregard.
>
I don't know anything about tex but could it be that when it was 'borked'
it created some personalized config files in your homedir that are still
affecting you because you only purged general config?
Chag Sameach,
Eliyahu - ?????

>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org
>
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From pub at goldshmidt.org  Fri Apr 18 10:28:38 2014
From: pub at goldshmidt.org (Oleg Goldshmidt)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:28:38 +0300
Subject: LaTeX on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAHTx_BNSwDanDy+=4XO+3yrrvKSdnOhub+cJk5jLSr7ZzbXPAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM+3FtT2uCyXX3zv6WyfUFsPP=v+MWf3V9hwX-z9HHE=o1V_gQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <87oazzjduh.fsf@goldshmidt.org>

"E.S. Rosenberg" <esr+linux-il at g.jct.ac.il> writes:

> I don't know anything about tex but could it be that when it was
> 'borked' it created some personalized config files in your homedir
> that are still affecting you because you only purged general config?

No, it was a brand new user - I think it was asked and answered in this
thread.

Thanks, and Chag Sameach,

-- 
Oleg Goldshmidt | pub at goldshmidt.org


From miki at epoch.co.il  Fri Apr 18 18:03:30 2014
From: miki at epoch.co.il (Michael Ben-Nes)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 18:03:30 +0300
Subject: Feedback about HOT as an isp
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTZ1QoW=o0n2N5RBSsBMcuLkv5h8u-VKfNs_=e00O=qp9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+HT0U54Zivt+nRT6Qt+QQCTfdcfk9hEh=JzQWWv1kS38cnZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
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So now I use HOT for the infrastructure. I got the 100mbit download & 2mbit
upload.
The line is stable and fast though I understand the quality changes from
place to place depending on the local infrastructure.

The latency to HOT speed test server is 17ms

--------------------------------------------------
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http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes>
Cellular: +972-54-4848113
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:54 PM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also recommended to others CCC as isp, None of them  complains.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2014 4:14 PM, Amichai Rotman wrote:
>>
>>> On the same subject:
>>>
>>> I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the
>>> same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in
>>> Israel and abroad.
>>>
>>> How can I check for the exact cause?
>>>
>>>  As a guess, your latency is high because you are NOT paying for a
>> better service package. The cheapest is the "gamer's" which will cut things
>> down considerably. Last summer I changed my line from 012 with a gamer's
>> package to CCC without. Latency is much lower.
>>
>> IMHO the program which is most affected by latency is BitTorrent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Geoff.
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
>> Jerusalem Israel.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>
>
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From mordbe0 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 10:29:34 2014
From: mordbe0 at gmail.com (Mord Behar)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:29:34 +0300
Subject: OT: Cell phone service providers
In-Reply-To: <CAJzkJxH_RJ5b8qhawVZigNj85Ta6kJOMYwWPLhy857qvkFbcyw@mail.gmail.com>
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After two months on Golan, my results are as follows:
About 1 in 3 calls has a "problem". A problem is either garbled audio, a
lack of connection or a disconnect. There seems to be no correlation
between problems and the carrier at the other end. Obviously garbled audio
is more common than disconnects. The ratio is approximately 1:7.
Text messages are unreliable. I receive them 3-4 minutes before they are
sent (the timestamp from the server) and they often (unfortunately I have
no numbers for this) take several hours to arrive.
The cellular internet is noticeably slower than our previous provider
(Pelephone) and coverage is worse.
The network time does not work. At all. Not even a little bit. Neither my
Nokia candybar nor my wife's Samsung II s2 updated the DST.
In summary: you get what you pay for. The 10 NIS a month plan is great for
me, since my phone doesn't really do internet. For that price I'm willing
to accept service problems. The 60 NIS plan for my wife is borderline okay.
If the service gets a little bit worse we'll need to reevaluate.
I hope this helps someone in the future.
Thank you everybody for your input.
We went with Golan. One phone the 59 NIS a month unlimited plan, the other
the 10 NIS a month plan.
On the 10 NIS phone I'm trying to keep track of dropped and garbled calls,
as well as good calls. Not exactly scientific, since I forget a few and I
don't always know the carrier on the other end. But maybe it will help
somebody in the future.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin <
beni.cherniavsky at gmail.com> wrote:

> + Golan also have the nice property that they throttle you if you exceed
> 3G instead of charging huge overage fees.
> I guess throttling = 2G speed, which is barely usable, but I'm more
> concerned with paying a predictable bill ? an option to hard-limit data
> usage would also be acceptable.
>
> e.g. Rami Levi told me they don't have a have a hard-limit option, I have
> to monitor my usage (and they'll send me SMSes when I approach the limit).
>  It's easy enough to set up a limit in android, just made me a little
> annoyed as an approach.
> - What annoyed me more with Rami Levi was when I upgraded the data plan in
> the middle of the month (1G->5G IIRC) and they charged me some overage at
> that moment because my usage since the start of the month exceeded 1G *
> <portion of the month>.
>
> Pre-paid plans guarantee a predictable bill, of course.  But these cost
> more at all providers.
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From linux-il at shimi.net  Sun Apr 20 10:58:05 2014
From: linux-il at shimi.net (shimi)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:58:05 +0300
Subject: OT: Cell phone service providers
In-Reply-To: <CAJzkJxFLZK-=C8i_dMg0oc2+sFCS0rDWQmC1RJWzrutM2OPuUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJzkJxFvZmCRTC2rcfNwiw-37s6LzXSXr-=06TrtZY9bWoBwgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK2xwae4fB6wWzv6b59Md4ots5iB3xtNdcJzV_85tpGAmb0MFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALJxeiLhoxXHvyUFX2Zcu_CErT8ktDsqxUVC=m7NB2xGF5-1Ug@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJzkJxH_RJ5b8qhawVZigNj85Ta6kJOMYwWPLhy857qvkFbcyw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJzkJxFLZK-=C8i_dMg0oc2+sFCS0rDWQmC1RJWzrutM2OPuUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

Try doing manual network selection, and choose the one in which your
handset is always on "roaming" (the "r" doesn't turn off) on. Might require
trial and error. Best to try in a location when the "R" is off (where Golan
has their cells)

Most issues are derived from hopping between Golan cells and Cellcom cells.

When you force it to roam all the time (stay on Cellcom's antennas), you
have coverage nationwide so no black spots that require hopping
inter-carrier...

Good luck

(Golan user from day one of the network giving public service)
On 20 Apr 2014 10:30, "Mord Behar" <mordbe0 at gmail.com> wrote:

> After two months on Golan, my results are as follows:
> About 1 in 3 calls has a "problem". A problem is either garbled audio, a
> lack of connection or a disconnect. There seems to be no correlation
> between problems and the carrier at the other end. Obviously garbled audio
> is more common than disconnects. The ratio is approximately 1:7.
> Text messages are unreliable. I receive them 3-4 minutes before they are
> sent (the timestamp from the server) and they often (unfortunately I have
> no numbers for this) take several hours to arrive.
> The cellular internet is noticeably slower than our previous provider
> (Pelephone) and coverage is worse.
> The network time does not work. At all. Not even a little bit. Neither my
> Nokia candybar nor my wife's Samsung II s2 updated the DST.
> In summary: you get what you pay for. The 10 NIS a month plan is great for
> me, since my phone doesn't really do internet. For that price I'm willing
> to accept service problems. The 60 NIS plan for my wife is borderline okay.
> If the service gets a little bit worse we'll need to reevaluate.
> I hope this helps someone in the future.
> Thank you everybody for your input.
> We went with Golan. One phone the 59 NIS a month unlimited plan, the other
> the 10 NIS a month plan.
> On the 10 NIS phone I'm trying to keep track of dropped and garbled calls,
> as well as good calls. Not exactly scientific, since I forget a few and I
> don't always know the carrier on the other end. But maybe it will help
> somebody in the future.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin <
> beni.cherniavsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> + Golan also have the nice property that they throttle you if you exceed
>> 3G instead of charging huge overage fees.
>> I guess throttling = 2G speed, which is barely usable, but I'm more
>> concerned with paying a predictable bill ? an option to hard-limit data
>> usage would also be acceptable.
>>
>> e.g. Rami Levi told me they don't have a have a hard-limit option, I have
>> to monitor my usage (and they'll send me SMSes when I approach the limit).
>>  It's easy enough to set up a limit in android, just made me a little
>> annoyed as an approach.
>> - What annoyed me more with Rami Levi was when I upgraded the data plan
>> in the middle of the month (1G->5G IIRC) and they charged me some overage
>> at that moment because my usage since the start of the month exceeded 1G *
>> <portion of the month>.
>>
>> Pre-paid plans guarantee a predictable bill, of course.  But these cost
>> more at all providers.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 11:45:53 2014
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (geoffrey mendelson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:45:53 +0300
Subject: OT: Cell phone service providers
In-Reply-To: <CAJzkJxFLZK-=C8i_dMg0oc2+sFCS0rDWQmC1RJWzrutM2OPuUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJzkJxFvZmCRTC2rcfNwiw-37s6LzXSXr-=06TrtZY9bWoBwgA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <53538941.10606@gmail.com>

On 4/20/2014 10:29 AM, Mord Behar wrote:
>
> After two months on Golan, my results are as follows:
> About 1 in 3 calls has a "problem". A problem is either garbled audio, 
> a lack of connection or a disconnect. There seems to be no correlation 
> between problems and the carrier at the other end. Obviously garbled 
> audio is more common than disconnects. The ratio is approximately 1:7.
>
Sounds to me like your phone. Several people with really cheap phones 
have had much better luck with new ones. For example, the really cheap 
samsung phones replaced with cheap (250 NIS or less) Nokia, or in one 
case a used Crackberry. I do get an occasional disconnect.

I have lost communication completely about 4 times in the last 2 or 3 
months. I rebooted my candy bar type phone and it was fine.

> Text messages are unreliable. I receive them 3-4 minutes before they 
> are sent (the timestamp from the server) and they often (unfortunately 
> I have no numbers for this) take several hours to arrive.
>

I have my computer which has a USB dongle connected to Asterisk send me 
an SMS at 6:59 every morning (except shabbat). You can set your watch to 
it,  it arrives at about 6:59:05. everyday. (both computer and phone on 
Golan).


> The cellular internet is noticeably slower than our previous provider 
> (Pelephone) and coverage is worse.
>
No idea. My family and friends with it have no noticable problems, 
except in the corner of our apartment which has no radio coverage at 
all. It's hidden behind a mountain, and even a cell-com cell, less than 
100m away is "spotty". My sons use it on their android phones all over 
Jerusalem, and my wife with an iPad. Except for my candy bar phone, 
which I carry as a "medic alert" button, all of our phones are 3g capable.

I have a friend who lives in a dungeon, a one room apartment below 
ground with a small window. The kind where there was some empty space 
next to the miklat, so the owner put in pumbling, lights, and a small 
kitchen and calls it a "studio" apartment. Almost no cellular coverage 
and no land line, so I bought her a Huwai USB modem stick with an 
antenna socket, and she has a cellular antenna out her window for data 
use. For voice, her phone works ok near the window. When she is not home 
she leaves the antenna but takes the modem along with her computer.


> The network time does not work. At all. Not even a little bit. Neither 
> my Nokia candybar nor my wife's Samsung II s2 updated the DST.
>

Funny (as in strange). Not only did I get a note about the time change 
via SMS from Golan, it works fine. My Nokia candybar updated 
automatically. If I take the battery out it will default to some very 
old time, and then in about a minute come up to the correct time.


> In summary: you get what you pay for. The 10 NIS a month plan is great 
> for me, since my phone doesn't really do internet. For that price I'm 
> willing to accept service problems. The 60 NIS plan for my wife is 
> borderline okay. If the service gets a little bit worse we'll need to 
> reevaluate.
>

Note that I am in Jerusalem and we are always within two kilometers of a 
Golan cell. My candybar phone is 2g only and connects via cell-com.

Geoff.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
Jerusalem Israel.



From mordbe0 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 12:08:58 2014
From: mordbe0 at gmail.com (Mord Behar)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:08:58 +0300
Subject: OT: Cell phone service providers
In-Reply-To: <53538941.10606@gmail.com>
References: <CAJzkJxFvZmCRTC2rcfNwiw-37s6LzXSXr-=06TrtZY9bWoBwgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK2xwae4fB6wWzv6b59Md4ots5iB3xtNdcJzV_85tpGAmb0MFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALJxeiLhoxXHvyUFX2Zcu_CErT8ktDsqxUVC=m7NB2xGF5-1Ug@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJzkJxH_RJ5b8qhawVZigNj85Ta6kJOMYwWPLhy857qvkFbcyw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJzkJxFLZK-=C8i_dMg0oc2+sFCS0rDWQmC1RJWzrutM2OPuUQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53538941.10606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJzkJxF_b-DZuqehvwoVemeCeqbnYfA8K9tQux7xtnMQCq0biA@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 20, 2014 11:46 AM, "geoffrey mendelson" <geoffreymendelson at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On 4/20/2014 10:29 AM, Mord Behar wrote:
>>
>>
>> After two months on Golan, my results are as follows:
>> About 1 in 3 calls has a "problem". A problem is either garbled audio, a
lack of connection or a disconnect. There seems to be no correlation
between problems and the carrier at the other end. Obviously garbled audio
is more common than disconnects. The ratio is approximately 1:7.
>>
> Sounds to me like your phone. Several people with really cheap phones
have had much better luck with new ones. For example, the really cheap
samsung phones replaced with cheap (250 NIS or less) Nokia, or in one case
a used Crackberry. I do get an occasional disconnect.

The results are combined, both my 5 y/o Nokia candy bar and my wife's brand
new Samsung. My phone had slightly higher problem rates, but not by much.
About what you'd expect from an old phone.

>
> I have lost communication completely about 4 times in the last 2 or 3
months. I rebooted my candy bar type phone and it was fine.
>
>
>> Text messages are unreliable. I receive them 3-4 minutes before they are
sent (the timestamp from the server) and they often (unfortunately I have
no numbers for this) take several hours to arrive.
>>
>
> I have my computer which has a USB dongle connected to Asterisk send me
an SMS at 6:59 every morning (except shabbat). You can set your watch to
it,  it arrives at about 6:59:05. everyday. (both computer and phone on
Golan).

I set my "watch" (cell phone clock) by the Linux internet time on my
laptop. And that is several minutes ahead of Golan's clock.

>
>
>
>> The cellular internet is noticeably slower than our previous provider
(Pelephone) and coverage is worse.
>>
> No idea. My family and friends with it have no noticable problems, except
in the corner of our apartment which has no radio coverage at all. It's
hidden behind a mountain, and even a cell-com cell, less than 100m away is
"spotty". My sons use it on their android phones all over Jerusalem, and my
wife with an iPad. Except for my candy bar phone, which I carry as a "medic
alert" button, all of our phones are 3g capable.
>
> I have a friend who lives in a dungeon, a one room apartment below ground
with a small window. The kind where there was some empty space next to the
miklat, so the owner put in pumbling, lights, and a small kitchen and calls
it a "studio" apartment. Almost no cellular coverage and no land line, so I
bought her a Huwai USB modem stick with an antenna socket, and she has a
cellular antenna out her window for data use. For voice, her phone works ok
near the window. When she is not home she leaves the antenna but takes the
modem along with her computer.
>
>
>
>> The network time does not work. At all. Not even a little bit. Neither
my Nokia candybar nor my wife's Samsung II s2 updated the DST.
>>
>
> Funny (as in strange). Not only did I get a note about the time change
via SMS from Golan, it works fine. My Nokia candybar updated automatically.
If I take the battery out it will default to some very old time, and then
in about a minute come up to the correct time.

Some of my wife's apps updated the time properly, those with hardcoded time
settings. The Android OS which was set to network time did not update.

>
>
>
>> In summary: you get what you pay for. The 10 NIS a month plan is great
for me, since my phone doesn't really do internet. For that price I'm
willing to accept service problems. The 60 NIS plan for my wife is
borderline okay. If the service gets a little bit worse we'll need to
reevaluate.
>>
>
> Note that I am in Jerusalem and we are always within two kilometers of a
Golan cell. My candybar phone is 2g only and connects via cell-com.
>
>
> Geoff.
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
> Jerusalem Israel.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 12:51:34 2014
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (geoffrey mendelson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:51:34 +0300
Subject: OT: Cell phone service providers
In-Reply-To: <53539863.1040603@gmail.com>
References: <53539863.1040603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <535398A6.1040505@gmail.com>


On 4/20/2014 12:08 PM, Mord Behar wrote:
>
> I set my "watch" (cell phone clock) by the Linux internet time on my
> laptop. And that is several minutes ahead of Golan's clock.
>

My windows desktop, which syncs its time off of an ntp daemon on a linux
system, the clock on my asterisk system (which syncs its time off of its
own ntp daemon from a different ISP), my Nokia X1 candy bar phone (syncs
from Golan 2g via cellcom) and my Google Nexus 4, which syncs from Golan
3g, all have the same time.


>
> Some of my wife's apps updated the time properly, those with hardcoded
> time settings. The Android OS which was set to network time did not
> update.
>
>

I think the update was included in KitKat, not anything older. The
android phones run the UNIX standard, a UTC clock and display according
to a time zone file.

Geoff.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ
Jerusalem Israel.





From mycroft at infoscav.net  Tue Apr 22 19:46:35 2014
From: mycroft at infoscav.net (Michael Vasiliev)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:46:35 +0300
Subject: geolocation in firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKsgyTbMtmX3VW1PZ79-Jo1EwZ9ayqs-VXn=g6R7eL4_uVeSnA@mail.gmail.com>
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From shlomif at shlomifish.org  Wed Apr 23 13:01:52 2014
From: shlomif at shlomifish.org (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:01:52 +0300
Subject: Online Programming-Related Game Recommendation: "Untrusted"
Message-ID: <20140423130152.16be7035@telaviv1.shlomifish.org>

Hi all,

someone on ##programming on Freenode introduced me to this game called
?Untrusted? - https://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/ . It requires writing
some code in JavaScript to overcome the challenges there, and I found it to be
a fun game.

It naturally requires to enable and/or whitelist JavaScript on the page.

Recommended.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Shlomi Fish       http://www.shlomifish.org/
What Makes Software Apps High Quality -  http://shlom.in/sw-quality

I?d do Windows-- , but this may result in an integer underflow.
    ? an Israeli Linuxer.

Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .


From eli at billauer.co.il  Thu Apr 24 19:48:48 2014
From: eli at billauer.co.il (Eli Billauer)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:48:48 +0300
Subject: Haifux is back on April 28th
Message-ID: <53594070.8010906@billauer.co.il>

Hello all,

I hope you all had a nice Pesach, which happened to wipe out a couple of 
potential Haifux slots...

But we'll be back on this Monday, with Nadav Amit talking about 
VSwapper. Virtualization, memory swapping, see for yourselves:

http://www.haifux.org/lectures/322/

And see you there! :)

This is not instead of the regular announcement, by the way.

     Eli

-- 
Web: http://www.billauer.co.il



From eli at billauer.co.il  Sat Apr 26 19:59:05 2014
From: eli at billauer.co.il (Eli Billauer)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 19:59:05 +0300
Subject: [HAIFUX LECTURE] VSwapper, a guest-agnostic memory swapper for virtual
 environments -- Nadav Amit
Message-ID: <535BE5D9.80206@billauer.co.il>

On Monday, April 28th at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear a talk by 
Nadav Amit:

    VSwapper, a guest-agnostic memory swapper for virtual environments

Abstract

The number of guest virtual machines that can be consolidated on one 
physical host is typically limited by the memory size, motivating memory 
overcommitment. Guests are given a choice to either install a "balloon" 
driver to coordinate the overcommitment activity, or to experience 
degraded performance due to uncooperative swapping. Ballooning, however, 
is not a complete solution, as hosts must still fall back on 
uncooperative swapping in various circumstances. Additionally, 
ballooning takes time to accommodate change, and so guests might 
experience degraded performance under changing conditions.

Our goal is to improve the performance of hosts when they fall back on 
uncooperative swapping and/or operate under changing load conditions. We 
carefully isolate and characterize the causes for the associated poor 
performance, which include various types of superfluous swap operations, 
decayed swap file sequentiality, and ineffective prefetch decisions upon 
page faults. We address these problems by implementing VSwapper, a 
guest-agnostic memory swapper for virtual environments that allows 
efficient, uncooperative overcommitment. With inactive ballooning, 
VSwapper yields up to an order of magnitude performance improvement. 
Combined with ballooning, VSwapper can achieve up to double the 
performance under changing load conditions.

=================================================================

We meet in Taub building, room 6. For instructions see:
http://www.haifux.org/where.html

Attendance is free, and you are all invited!

==================================================================
Future lectures:

There are no scheduled lectures.


==================================================================

We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to 
give a talk, hold a discussion, or just plan some event haifux might be 
interested in, please contact us at webmaster at haifux.org

-- 
Web: http://www.billauer.co.il



From const at makelinux.co.il  Sun Apr 27 01:41:56 2014
From: const at makelinux.co.il (Constantine Shulyupin)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 01:41:56 +0300
Subject: shell functions library
Message-ID: <CAE7jHC856=CeGHvsXB+=a3GLtbeFCABFppDFT=mpTLAsjOUxFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am using bash and others shells like busybox ash for many year on
desktop and for embedded Linux projects. Eventually I've collected
number of shell functions, aliases and tricks.

I've published my reusable utilities here:

https://github.com/makelinux/lib

It is implemented as easy to use single file script. It consits of 300
SLOC, 40 functions and aliases. Most useful functions are: make-debug,
trap_err, readline-bindings, duplicates, fs_usage,
system_status_short, git_fixup, tcpdump-text, git_ign_add, for_each,
mem_avail_kb

Moreover I've collected and reviewed other shell functions libraries here:

http://elinux.org/Scripting

Have you your useful functions, tips, tricks to share?


Thanks

-- 
Constantine Shulyupin
http://www.MakeLinux.co.il/
Embedded Linux Systems
Tel Aviv


From yba at tkos.co.il  Sun Apr 27 08:40:14 2014
From: yba at tkos.co.il (Jonathan Ben Avraham)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 08:40:14 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: shell functions library
In-Reply-To: <CAE7jHC856=CeGHvsXB+=a3GLtbeFCABFppDFT=mpTLAsjOUxFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE7jHC856=CeGHvsXB+=a3GLtbeFCABFppDFT=mpTLAsjOUxFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1404270838450.5714@tavas.tkos.co.il>

Hi Constantine,
Thanks for sharing this work with us.

  - yba


On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Constantine Shulyupin wrote:

> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 01:41:56 +0300
> From: Constantine Shulyupin <const at makelinux.co.il>
> To: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: shell functions library
> 
> Hi,
>
> I am using bash and others shells like busybox ash for many year on
> desktop and for embedded Linux projects. Eventually I've collected
> number of shell functions, aliases and tricks.
>
> I've published my reusable utilities here:
>
> https://github.com/makelinux/lib
>
> It is implemented as easy to use single file script. It consits of 300
> SLOC, 40 functions and aliases. Most useful functions are: make-debug,
> trap_err, readline-bindings, duplicates, fs_usage,
> system_status_short, git_fixup, tcpdump-text, git_ign_add, for_each,
> mem_avail_kb
>
> Moreover I've collected and reviewed other shell functions libraries here:
>
> http://elinux.org/Scripting
>
> Have you your useful functions, tips, tricks to share?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>

-- 
  9590 8E58 D30D 1660 C349  673D B205 4FC4 B8F5 B7F9  ~. .~  Tk Open Systems
=}-------- Jonathan Ben-Avraham ("yba") ----------ooO--U--Ooo------------{=
mailto:yba at tkos.co.il tel:+972.52.486.3386 http://tkos.co.il skype:benavrhm


From meirgotroot at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 09:11:30 2014
From: meirgotroot at gmail.com (Meir Michanie)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:11:30 +0300
Subject: shell functions library
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1404270838450.5714@tavas.tkos.co.il>
References: <CAE7jHC856=CeGHvsXB+=a3GLtbeFCABFppDFT=mpTLAsjOUxFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1404270838450.5714@tavas.tkos.co.il>
Message-ID: <CAG4bpDJ80XAeF-2BBKOq0_Eg29Wmn0x2LO2sKaXt592xjD6tjQ@mail.gmail.com>

you have an extra \ in line 142 according to the the highlighting in git.


On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba at tkos.co.il>wrote:

> Hi Constantine,
> Thanks for sharing this work with us.
>
>  - yba
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Constantine Shulyupin wrote:
>
>  Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 01:41:56 +0300
>> From: Constantine Shulyupin <const at makelinux.co.il>
>> To: Linux-IL <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
>> Subject: shell functions library
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am using bash and others shells like busybox ash for many year on
>> desktop and for embedded Linux projects. Eventually I've collected
>> number of shell functions, aliases and tricks.
>>
>> I've published my reusable utilities here:
>>
>> https://github.com/makelinux/lib
>>
>> It is implemented as easy to use single file script. It consits of 300
>> SLOC, 40 functions and aliases. Most useful functions are: make-debug,
>> trap_err, readline-bindings, duplicates, fs_usage,
>> system_status_short, git_fixup, tcpdump-text, git_ign_add, for_each,
>> mem_avail_kb
>>
>> Moreover I've collected and reviewed other shell functions libraries here:
>>
>> http://elinux.org/Scripting
>>
>> Have you your useful functions, tips, tricks to share?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
> --
>  9590 8E58 D30D 1660 C349  673D B205 4FC4 B8F5 B7F9  ~. .~  Tk Open Systems
> =}-------- Jonathan Ben-Avraham ("yba") ----------ooO--U--Ooo---------
> ---{=
> mailto:yba at tkos.co.il tel:+972.52.486.3386 http://tkos.co.ilskype:benavrhm
>
>
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