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Wed Jul 19 11:00:58 IDT 2017

I have some numbers. Before the installation the usage was 32-48kwh/2
months. After the installation it jumped to 100-102kwh/2 months. Someone
from the unlimited company slipped his tongue and said that they know it's
about 60 nis/2 months which fits the bill of 100kwh/2 months. The house
doesn't have elevator.

it's some ethernet converter. It's very hard to see what they put there
because everything is covered with the box and very small holes. The
problem is that in a building with 5 entries, only one entry pays for the
electricity and within that entry only 3 out of 8 families have their
internet. Others don't even have internet when normally they should have
put a separate clock and divide it by those who actually use  their
internet.

It's even worse, in a building of 40 families, only 12 families have their
internet.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:41 AM, shimi <linux-il at shimi.net> wrote:

> Hi Sara,
>
> To calculate the said cost, we will need to know the input
> wattage/amperage of whatever they installed there. If for example it's
> 1watt (not saying that it is), the cost would be negligible. Tripled the
> electricity cost? From how much?
>
> Without numbers, we can only guess. Let's say the equipment (what is it?
> isn't it a simple fiber to ethernet converter? something similar to
> http://www.fibrolan.com/FibroLAN/Templates/showpage.
> asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=108&FID=1223&PID=3990&IID=3852 ?) consumes 2A on
> 12V so 24W. Power to run such a device for 24 hours a day, 30 days a month
> would be 24 x 24 x 30 = 17.28kWh. Price of 1kWh is 55.29 agorot (based on
> https://www.iec.co.il/homeclients/pages/tariffs.aspx), so for monthly
> usage of 17.28kWh, the price would be 9.55 NIS - this of course should be
> divided by the number of households in the same entrance. If there are for
> example 10 households, each one will pay less than 1NIS/mo. per device with
> such consumption.
>
> Of course, it may consume much more. Can you please take a look at either
> the rated wattage on the device(s), or, if not rated, the model(s) of it,
> so its' spec sheet could be looked up online to find out the actual cost to
> be attributed to these devices? Thanks!
>
> By the way, YES also put amplifiers that consume electricity from the
> building 24x7x365... and perhaps such amplifiers are also installed for
> reception of IDAN+ public broadcasts. Likely they're all nothing compared
> to power consumption for lighting fixtures and elevator engines...
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Shimi
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:31 AM, sara fink <sara.fink at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Geoff
>>
>> I have some bad critics about unlimited. Besides what was mentioned in
>> this list, I can tell you that they install communication equipment on the
>> building entrance without installing separate electricity clock. This
>> equipment serves the whole building but only one entrance pays for the
>> whole building (I checked it with them, so this is the situation). This is
>> what they did where my mother lives. Now imagine that this equipment works
>> 24x7x365 and calculate how much this electricity costs. I can tell you that
>> in the case where my mother lives, the electricity bills jumped 3 times
>> more compared to previous bills.
>>
>> When I sent them an email they didn't even bothered to answer. According
>> to their web page you don't know who is the personnel. Just a simple email
>> (to which they don't answer) or phone.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Alon Barzilai <alon at skylinesoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If you plan to buy a modem/router this list (in hebrew) may help.
>>>
>>> http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/VDSL_Router/VDSL_Router.htm
>>>
>>> about unlimited:
>>> they have a very limited areas where they have service, and they expand
>>> very slowly.
>>>
>>> hot may have better infrastructure than bezeq at some areas ( this is my
>>> case). they do not have CAPTCHA in their routers.
>>> it might be a good idea to ask you neighbors what they use, and if they
>>> are happy with it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/16/2017 11:30 PM, Geoff Shang wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> This could get a bit lengthy, so please bare with me.  Also, there is a
>>> direct connection to Linux if you read far enough.
>>>
>>> We are moving house in two weeks and have the opportunity to change ISP
>>> and infrastructure providers.  I'm hoping you all can help us decide who to
>>> go with.
>>>
>>> Our preference is for a high-quality Internet service, and we have been
>>> prepared to pay for it.  Up until two years ago, we were happily using
>>> Bezeqint's Gamers' package, over Bezeq NGN.  But then we started running
>>> into a problem.
>>>
>>> My wife and I are both blind.  When we got our service reconnected in
>>> November 2015, after being out of the country for six months, we discovered
>>> that the Bezeq routers now have a CAPTCHA in addition to the username and
>>> password.  Moreover, this CAPTCHA has no audio challenge, only visual ones.
>>>
>>> This of course makes it difficult to get into the router to administer
>>> it, and while there are solutions that can help a blind person solve these
>>> challenges, you of course need to be connected to the Internet to use them,
>>> which limits their usefulness in this case.
>>>
>>> When we moved in earli 2016, we tried getting our infrastructure from
>>> Bezeqint instead of Bezeq, the point being that the people you pay for the
>>> infrastructure provide the router.  Unfortunately, they also had a CAPTCHA
>>> challenge on their login page, so this did not help particularly.
>>>
>>> Late last year, we tried switching to 012.  To be honest, I can't
>>> remember if they have a CAPTCHA or not.  I have found the Internet in this
>>> apartment less than satisfactory, but I'm not 100% sure if this is due to
>>> the ISP, the phone line or the poor wi-fi performance in this apartment.
>>>
>>> One thing that I'm sure does contribute to poor performance, both now
>>> and previously, is bad router firmware.  I've seen problems caused by
>>> on-board DHCP and DNS resolvers, and I've lost count of the number of times
>>> I've cleared up some issue we've been having by rebooting the router.
>>>
>>> So I bought myself an EdgeRouter PoE from Ubiquiti Networks (
>>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-poe/).  This device runs a
>>> modified Debian Linux distribution.  I've not yet set it up, but I'm
>>> looking to do so once we move.
>>>
>>> To use this of course, I will either need to use some kind of modem
>>> device only (no routing necessary) or put an ISP-supplied router in bridged
>>> mode.
>>>
>>> As the infrastructure provider also provides the router/modem, I'm also
>>> looking at other connectivity options.
>>>
>>> I see that the Electricity company is now offering a fibre-to-the-home
>>> service called Unlimited (unlimited.net.il).  At least according to the
>>> English language pages, which may well not be up to date, they only seem to
>>> have a handful of ISPs, none of which I've had anything to do with.
>>> Furthermore, I don't know anything about their reputation (it's difficult
>>> to find much in English), and I obviously don't know anything about their
>>> end equipment, whether it can play nice with an EdgeRouter PoE and whether
>>> or not it has a CAPTCHA.
>>>
>>> I've also heard rumours of Bezeq providing a fibre-to-the-home solution
>>> as well, but I don't know how true this is and I also don't know if
>>> equipment for this would also suffer from a CAPTCHA that I've never figured
>>> out how to disable.
>>>
>>> I'm not particularly interested in going back to Hot cable unless
>>> someone can make a very good case for them
>>>
>>> If you've read this far, I thank you.
>>>
>>> As you can see, I have a number of concerns, some of which might be
>>> difficult to explain to an ISP or carrier sales rep.
>>>
>>> My requirements are, therefore, in no particular order:
>>>
>>> * Fast
>>> * Reliable
>>> * Usable with third-party routers
>>> * Able to be managed without a visual CAPTCHA.
>>>
>>> Obviously, some of this is relevant to ISPs as well as carriers, so any
>>> thoughts on the best ISPs would also be welcome.  I'm more interested in
>>> quality and capacity than the usual bells and whistles the big ISPs have
>>> that no-one ueses anyway.
>>>
>>> If you have any thoughts on any of this, I'd be most grateful to hear
>>> them.  As we move in two weeks, we will need to place orders soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Geoff.
>>>
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