From julianlx at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 12:23:13 2020
From: julianlx at gmail.com (Julian Daich)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:23:13 +0200
Subject: Presentation on computer reusing and FLOSS
Message-ID: <CALPP6bQ3LnZOocjED8RUOaao8yA_75LztXWi1zamcuZnEzD2ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Next Wednesday 19 at 20 I will give a presentation about old hardware
reusing, FLOSS and planned obsolescence oriented to non technical
skilled people.
Hamekarer- Art Studio and Gallery. Hahesmonaim 90 Tel Aviv

Everyone is welcome to attend.
The entrance is free. Under the present conditions limited to 20 attendees.

Best,
-- 
Julian


From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 19:55:59 2020
From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 19:55:59 +0300
Subject: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04
Message-ID: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>

I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a problem with
the whiteboard in ZOOM.

Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on the
board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse, whatever
I've written disappears.
If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
black but DO NOT see anything I write.
This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other screens
with no problem.
I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my GPU, but
the symptoms are that all shared items are black and that is NOT what
happens. I ONLY have a problem with the whiteboard.

I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
"out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the ZOOM
site).

In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap might
be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb file but
that did not solve the problem.

Any help/ideas would be appreciated.

 

-- 
Shlomo Solomon
http://the-solomons.net
Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04


From efraim at flashner.co.il  Tue Aug 25 20:01:17 2020
From: efraim at flashner.co.il (Efraim Flashner)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:01:17 +0300
Subject: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04
In-Reply-To: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
References: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
Message-ID: <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>

I don't have any experience with kubuntu or using zoom on the desktop,
but I do know that there's also a flatpak of zoom. Perhaps that one will
work better.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:55:59PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a problem with
> the whiteboard in ZOOM.
> 
> Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on the
> board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse, whatever
> I've written disappears.
> If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
> black but DO NOT see anything I write.
> This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other screens
> with no problem.
> I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
> A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my GPU, but
> the symptoms are that all shared items are black and that is NOT what
> happens. I ONLY have a problem with the whiteboard.
> 
> I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
> "out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the ZOOM
> site).
> 
> In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap might
> be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb file but
> that did not solve the problem.
> 
> Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> Shlomo Solomon
> http://the-solomons.net
> Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il

-- 
Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
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From govershay at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 20:11:31 2020
From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:11:31 +0300
Subject: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04
In-Reply-To: <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
References: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
 <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
Message-ID: <CANM5d8f2e0+pFRnW8tWdBOHVpojRosGLtYkKL+G9zQ-qdRkShw@mail.gmail.com>

Use Openboard instead

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:02 PM Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il>
wrote:

> I don't have any experience with kubuntu or using zoom on the desktop,
> but I do know that there's also a flatpak of zoom. Perhaps that one will
> work better.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:55:59PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> > I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a problem with
> > the whiteboard in ZOOM.
> >
> > Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on the
> > board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse, whatever
> > I've written disappears.
> > If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
> > black but DO NOT see anything I write.
> > This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other screens
> > with no problem.
> > I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
> > A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my GPU, but
> > the symptoms are that all shared items are black and that is NOT what
> > happens. I ONLY have a problem with the whiteboard.
> >
> > I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
> > "out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the ZOOM
> > site).
> >
> > In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap might
> > be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb file but
> > that did not solve the problem.
> >
> > Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shlomo Solomon
> > http://the-solomons.net
> > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-il mailing list
> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
> --
> Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
> GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
> Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted
> _______________________________________________
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From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 20:20:27 2020
From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:20:27 +0300
Subject: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04
In-Reply-To: <CANM5d8f2e0+pFRnW8tWdBOHVpojRosGLtYkKL+G9zQ-qdRkShw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
 <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
 <CANM5d8f2e0+pFRnW8tWdBOHVpojRosGLtYkKL+G9zQ-qdRkShw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200825202027.7e22324d@shlomo1.solomon>

not an option - I must use ZOOM for my work

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:11:31 +0300
Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com> wrote:

> Use Openboard instead
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:02 PM Efraim Flashner
> <efraim at flashner.co.il> wrote:
> 
> > I don't have any experience with kubuntu or using zoom on the
> > desktop, but I do know that there's also a flatpak of zoom. Perhaps
> > that one will work better.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:55:59PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> > > I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a
> > > problem with the whiteboard in ZOOM.
> > >
> > > Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on
> > > the board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse,
> > > whatever I've written disappears.
> > > If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
> > > black but DO NOT see anything I write.
> > > This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other
> > > screens with no problem.
> > > I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
> > > A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my
> > > GPU, but the symptoms are that all shared items are black and
> > > that is NOT what happens. I ONLY have a problem with the
> > > whiteboard.
> > >
> > > I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
> > > "out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the
> > > ZOOM site).
> > >
> > > In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap
> > > might be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb
> > > file but that did not solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shlomo Solomon
> > > http://the-solomons.net
> > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> >
> > --
> > Efraim Flashner   <efraim at flashner.co.il>   ????? ?????
> > GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
> > Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
> > unencrypted _______________________________________________
> > Linux-il mailing list
> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> >



-- 
Shlomo Solomon
http://the-solomons.net
Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04


From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 20:22:23 2020
From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:22:23 +0300
Subject: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04
In-Reply-To: <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
References: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
 <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
Message-ID: <20200825202223.24c2b7d5@shlomo1.solomon>

I've never used flatpack - I'll try it, but I honestly doubt that that'
will help. Since I have the same problem with the .deb and snap
versions, I really think that the problem is with Kubuntu - or some
setting that I'm missing.



On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:01:17 +0300
Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il> wrote:

> I don't have any experience with kubuntu or using zoom on the desktop,
> but I do know that there's also a flatpak of zoom. Perhaps that one
> will work better.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:55:59PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> > I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a problem
> > with the whiteboard in ZOOM.
> > 
> > Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on the
> > board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse, whatever
> > I've written disappears.
> > If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
> > black but DO NOT see anything I write.
> > This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other screens
> > with no problem.
> > I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
> > A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my GPU,
> > but the symptoms are that all shared items are black and that is
> > NOT what happens. I ONLY have a problem with the whiteboard.
> > 
> > I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
> > "out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the
> > ZOOM site).
> > 
> > In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap
> > might be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb
> > file but that did not solve the problem.
> > 
> > Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -- 
> > Shlomo Solomon
> > http://the-solomons.net
> > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-il mailing list
> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> 



-- 
Shlomo Solomon
http://the-solomons.net
Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04


From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 20:33:51 2020
From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:33:51 +0300
Subject: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04
In-Reply-To: <20200825202223.24c2b7d5@shlomo1.solomon>
References: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
 <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
 <20200825202223.24c2b7d5@shlomo1.solomon>
Message-ID: <20200825203351.46e31b09@shlomo1.solomon>

OK - not really connected to my original post, but after reading
about flatpack, I understand that on K/ubuntu 20.04 using flatpack is
non-trivial because there is some conflict between snap and flatpack.
I do not know if this is true or why, but since I'm still in early days
after upgrading from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04, I don't want to "break"
anything.

BTW - call me old school. but I really don't like snap either. Never
could understand the move from .deb to snap and if possible I avoid
snap (and now flatpack).



On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:22:23 +0300
Shlomo Solomon <shlomo at the-solomons.net> wrote:

> I've never used flatpack - I'll try it, but I honestly doubt that
> that' will help. Since I have the same problem with the .deb and snap
> versions, I really think that the problem is with Kubuntu - or some
> setting that I'm missing.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:01:17 +0300
> Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il> wrote:
> 
> > I don't have any experience with kubuntu or using zoom on the
> > desktop, but I do know that there's also a flatpak of zoom. Perhaps
> > that one will work better.
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:55:59PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> > > I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a problem
> > > with the whiteboard in ZOOM.
> > > 
> > > Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on
> > > the board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse,
> > > whatever I've written disappears.
> > > If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
> > > black but DO NOT see anything I write.
> > > This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other
> > > screens with no problem.
> > > I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
> > > A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my
> > > GPU, but the symptoms are that all shared items are black and
> > > that is NOT what happens. I ONLY have a problem with the
> > > whiteboard.
> > > 
> > > I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
> > > "out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the
> > > ZOOM site).
> > > 
> > > In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap
> > > might be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb
> > > file but that did not solve the problem.
> > > 
> > > Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Shlomo Solomon
> > > http://the-solomons.net
> > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Shlomo Solomon
http://the-solomons.net
Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04


From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 07:35:51 2020
From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:35:51 +0300
Subject: solved (was Re: ZOOM whiteboard on Kubuntu 20.04)
In-Reply-To: <20200825202223.24c2b7d5@shlomo1.solomon>
References: <20200825195559.49fdd9c8@shlomo1.solomon>
 <20200825170117.GE979@E5400>
 <20200825202223.24c2b7d5@shlomo1.solomon>
Message-ID: <20200826073551.6a0d0ef9@shlomo1.solomon>

I re-installed ZOOM for the third time and now everything works
perfectly.
Einstein once said: ?Insanity is doing the same thing over and over
again and expecting different results.?
But that's exactly what happened.   

I hate when this happens. :-(

In any case - thanks to all who tried to help - on and off the list.






On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:22:23 +0300
Shlomo Solomon <shlomo at the-solomons.net> wrote:

> I've never used flatpack - I'll try it, but I honestly doubt that
> that' will help. Since I have the same problem with the .deb and snap
> versions, I really think that the problem is with Kubuntu - or some
> setting that I'm missing.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:01:17 +0300
> Efraim Flashner <efraim at flashner.co.il> wrote:
> 
> > I don't have any experience with kubuntu or using zoom on the
> > desktop, but I do know that there's also a flatpak of zoom. Perhaps
> > that one will work better.
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:55:59PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> > > I recently upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and have a problem
> > > with the whiteboard in ZOOM.
> > > 
> > > Instead of a "whiteboard" I have a "blackboard". I can write on
> > > the board (in white lines), but as soon as I release the mouse,
> > > whatever I've written disappears.
> > > If I share the "white/blackboard" with others, they also see it as
> > > black but DO NOT see anything I write.
> > > This problem is only with the whiteboard. I can share other
> > > screens with no problem.
> > > I looked at all the settings and found nothing helpful.
> > > A Google search tells me that there could be a problem with my
> > > GPU, but the symptoms are that all shared items are black and
> > > that is NOT what happens. I ONLY have a problem with the
> > > whiteboard.
> > > 
> > > I should mention that in Kubuntu 18.04 everything worked
> > > "out-of-the-box" after installing ZOOM from a .deb file (from the
> > > ZOOM site).
> > > 
> > > In 20.04 there is a snap install of ZOOM. I thought that the snap
> > > might be the problem so I removed it and installed from the .deb
> > > file but that did not solve the problem.
> > > 
> > > Any help/ideas would be appreciated.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Shlomo Solomon
> > > http://the-solomons.net
> > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Shlomo Solomon
http://the-solomons.net
Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.15.5 - Kubuntu 20.04