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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat May  9 09:17:56 2020
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 10:17:56 +0400
Subject: Can anyone help translate the Open Source Hardware statement to
 Hebrew?
Message-ID: <CAGASG3xjMpagM3w8B4Z3X3FwOfa7hOv0+p8dhG8cb+MX2ZfdtQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was just poking around the Open Source Hardware Association
<https://www.oshwa.org/> and was shocked to see that their definition
<https://www.oshwa.org/definition/>, while available in a number of other
languages, is not available in Hebrew. I say shocked because usually in
technology and especially in Open Source, Hebrew is among the first
translations.

My Hebrew, and especially my technical Hebrew, is not good enough to work
on this.

How about you?

If you're interested I'm happy to connect you with Alicia, one of the
co-founders.

Michael
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From marcvolovic at me.com  Sat May  9 09:38:53 2020
From: marcvolovic at me.com (marc volovic)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 09:38:53 +0300
Subject: Can anyone help translate the Open Source Hardware statement to
 Hebrew?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASG3xjMpagM3w8B4Z3X3FwOfa7hOv0+p8dhG8cb+MX2ZfdtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASG3xjMpagM3w8B4Z3X3FwOfa7hOv0+p8dhG8cb+MX2ZfdtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07AC1D4D-9FB2-4616-A226-342C36B5D115@me.com>

Will be glad to help.

On 9 May 2020 09:17:56 GMT+03:00, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>I was just poking around the Open Source Hardware Association
><https://www.oshwa.org/> and was shocked to see that their definition
><https://www.oshwa.org/definition/>, while available in a number of
>other
>languages, is not available in Hebrew. I say shocked because usually in
>technology and especially in Open Source, Hebrew is among the first
>translations.
>
>My Hebrew, and especially my technical Hebrew, is not good enough to
>work
>on this.
>
>How about you?
>
>If you're interested I'm happy to connect you with Alicia, one of the
>co-founders.
>
>Michael

-- Sent from /e/ Mail.
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat May  9 10:52:48 2020
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 11:52:48 +0400
Subject: Can anyone help translate the Open Source Hardware statement to
 Hebrew?
In-Reply-To: <07AC1D4D-9FB2-4616-A226-342C36B5D115@me.com>
References: <CAGASG3xjMpagM3w8B4Z3X3FwOfa7hOv0+p8dhG8cb+MX2ZfdtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <07AC1D4D-9FB2-4616-A226-342C36B5D115@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASG3yMfXdb-JJn_WVOeqBqz7PdbVM3xiwHUrMb8mJckMeQLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Great! I'll put you in touch with Alicia.

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:39 AM marc volovic <marcvolovic at me.com> wrote:

> Will be glad to help.
>
> On 9 May 2020 09:17:56 GMT+03:00, Michael Shiloh <
> michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was just poking around the Open Source Hardware Association
>> <https://www.oshwa.org/> and was shocked to see that their definition
>> <https://www.oshwa.org/definition/>, while available in a number of
>> other languages, is not available in Hebrew. I say shocked because usually
>> in technology and especially in Open Source, Hebrew is among the first
>> translations.
>>
>> My Hebrew, and especially my technical Hebrew, is not good enough to work
>> on this.
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> If you're interested I'm happy to connect you with Alicia, one of the
>> co-founders.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
> -- Sent from /e/ Mail.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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From marcvolovic at me.com  Sat May  9 11:37:39 2020
From: marcvolovic at me.com (Marc Volovic)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 11:37:39 +0300
Subject: Can anyone help translate the Open Source Hardware statement to
 Hebrew?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASG3yMfXdb-JJn_WVOeqBqz7PdbVM3xiwHUrMb8mJckMeQLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASG3xjMpagM3w8B4Z3X3FwOfa7hOv0+p8dhG8cb+MX2ZfdtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <07AC1D4D-9FB2-4616-A226-342C36B5D115@me.com>
 <CAGASG3yMfXdb-JJn_WVOeqBqz7PdbVM3xiwHUrMb8mJckMeQLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80C567DE-4C5D-4831-AE56-63813D1044A7@me.com>

Thanks!
Would be glad.
?mav
Marc Volovic
marcvolovic at me.com



> On 9 May 2020, at 10:52, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Great! I'll put you in touch with Alicia.
> 
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:39 AM marc volovic <marcvolovic at me.com <mailto:marcvolovic at me.com>> wrote:
> Will be glad to help.
> 
> On 9 May 2020 09:17:56 GMT+03:00, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com <mailto:michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I was just poking around the Open Source Hardware Association <https://www.oshwa.org/> and was shocked to see that their definition <https://www.oshwa.org/definition/>, while available in a number of other languages, is not available in Hebrew. I say shocked because usually in technology and especially in Open Source, Hebrew is among the first translations.
> 
> My Hebrew, and especially my technical Hebrew, is not good enough to work on this.
> 
> How about you?
> 
> If you're interested I'm happy to connect you with Alicia, one of the co-founders.
> 
> Michael
> 
> -- Sent from /e/ Mail.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il <mailto:Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
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From dimidd at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:47:45 2020
From: dimidd at gmail.com (Dimid Duchovny)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:47:45 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
Message-ID: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple
of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but
now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro
and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to
work out-of-the-box.
Specification wish list:
512GB SSD
16GB RAM
A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
Webcam

The budget is around 2k shekels.
Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?

TIA
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From govershay at gmail.com  Tue May 12 03:08:50 2020
From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 03:08:50 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>

Why not install yourself? use mint distro.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro
> and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to
> work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> Webcam
>
> The budget is around 2k shekels.
> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>
> TIA
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 08:59:54 2020
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 08:59:54 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>

Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.

Geoff

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > Specification wish list:
> > > 512GB SSD
> > > 16GB RAM
> > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > Webcam
> > >
> > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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From govershay at gmail.com  Tue May 12 09:14:19 2020
From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:14:19 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
Message-ID: <CANM5d8fi7L4-=X7oSW95BM=pvMQVA4fPHNX9XwdTyM_FWW-VnA@mail.gmail.com>

So don't use microphones either.
Or just use it and see them explode. :)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
>
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>> Specification wish list:
>> 512GB SSD
>> 16GB RAM
>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>> Webcam
>>
>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>
>> TIA
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>
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From shlomif at gmail.com  Tue May 12 09:44:34 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
Message-ID: <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Geoffrey!

Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html
and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.

That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able
to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:

* https://distrowatch.com/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions



On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
>
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>> Specification wish list:
>> 512GB SSD
>> 16GB RAM
>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>> Webcam
>>
>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>
>> TIA
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>


-- 
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Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.

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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 10:05:28 2020
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:05:28 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
 <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ab73a28-4276-481e-806b-f763ba818b19@Spark>

The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.

Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world appology?

Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.

Geoff


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>
> --
> Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
>
> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 10:08:20 2020
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:08:20 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
 <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25034f56-5df8-4239-a9a8-1efaf015f409@Spark>

Here is a good place to start.

https://abriefhistory.org/?p=774

Geoff

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
>
> --
> Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
>
> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
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From shlomif at gmail.com  Tue May 12 10:16:59 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:16:59 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <5ab73a28-4276-481e-806b-f763ba818b19@Spark>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:

> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>
>
Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.

Regarding Safari, see
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
. Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
iDevice?


> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
> appology?
>
> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
>
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able
> to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>
>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>>> Specification wish list:
>>> 512GB SSD
>>> 16GB RAM
>>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>>> Webcam
>>>
>>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>
>
> --
> Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
>
> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
>
>

-- 
Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/

Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.

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From shlomif at gmail.com  Tue May 12 10:23:19 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:23:19 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znWtX0e98QiVgrdX4_m4vOEPo9GAzJZs-Fkiyzs-=kSK5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
 <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>
 <5ab73a28-4276-481e-806b-f763ba818b19@Spark>
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I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx"
browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as
firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on
proprietary browsers.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>>
>>
> Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
> all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
>
> Regarding Safari, see
> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
> . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
> iDevice?
>
>
>> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
>> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
>> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
>> appology?
>>
>> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>
>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>
>> Please see
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>>
>> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be
>> able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>>
>> * https://distrowatch.com/
>>
>> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>>>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>>>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>>>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>>>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>>>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>>>> Specification wish list:
>>>> 512GB SSD
>>>> 16GB RAM
>>>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>>>> Webcam
>>>>
>>>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>>>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
>>
>> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>>
>> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply
>> .
>>
>>
>
> --
> Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
>
> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
>


-- 
Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/

Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.

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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Tue May 12 17:50:48 2020
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:50:48 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znUZ9XkRTqvTXTKbSZW+qtUO1p59OnzGkt7EnAo4C1ADYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
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 <5ab73a28-4276-481e-806b-f763ba818b19@Spark>
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i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and reading the link.

It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president of the FSF that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of Israel. It had nothing to do with linux mint.

Totally irrelevant.

Geoff.

As a side note, RMS jeapordized the FSF, project GNU, and pissed off Larry Ellison, who instead of giving Open Office to the FSF gave it to the Apache Foundation.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
On May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
> I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx" browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on proprietary browsers.
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding Safari, see https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/ . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple iDevice?
> > > >
> > > > > Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world appology?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > > > On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Geoffrey!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://distrowatch.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > > > > > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > > > > > > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > > > > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > > > > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Linux-il mailing list
> > > > > > > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > > > > > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
> > >
> > > Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
> > >
> > > Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
>
>
> --
> Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/
>
> Buddha has the Chuck Norris nature.
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
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From shlomif at gmail.com  Tue May 12 22:16:35 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:16:35 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
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Hi Geoffrey,

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:51 PM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:

> i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and reading
> the link.
>
> It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president of the
> FSF that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of Israel. It had
> nothing to do with linux mint.
>
>
That link was to an archived Linux-IL post by Jeremy Hoyland (not by me)
and it reads:

?

Jeremy Hoyland
<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il&q=from:%22Jeremy+Hoyland%22>
Mon,
20 Nov 2017 05:10:06 -0800
<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il&q=date:20171120>

RMS was bullied into canceling his Israeli University talks by his (paying)
Palestinian hosts. He explains here:

http://stallman.org/articles/palestine-trip.html

Can we PLEASE stop playing politics now? This is NOT the right forum, and
we're none of us any good at it. RMS himself is a great example.

J.

[full disclosure; I use and enjoy Linux Mint, just as I enjoy the music of
Richard Wagner. Bad people can create good things]

?

So it has everything to do with Linux Mint, and the tiresome argument that
it should be avoided just because one of its lead developers may hold
antisemitic views.

Totally irrelevant.
>
> Geoff.
>
> As a side note, RMS jeapordized the FSF, project GNU, and pissed off Larry
> Ellison, who instead of giving Open Office to the FSF gave it to the Apache
> Foundation.
>
>
This is discussed in Tzafrir's reply which was quoted in the reply to it in
this exact link:

https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html

I didn't write it either, but it seems to me that his doubts have some
merit.

--
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
>
> I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx"
> browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as
> firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on
> proprietary browsers.
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>>>
>>>
>> Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
>> all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
>>
>> Regarding Safari, see
>> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
>> . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
>> iDevice?
>>
>>
>>> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
>>> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
>>> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
>>> appology?
>>>
>>> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>>
>>> Please see
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>>>
>>> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be
>>> able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>>>
>>> * https://distrowatch.com/
>>>
>>> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>>> geoffreymendelson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover <govershay at gmail.com>,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>>>>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>>>>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>>>>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>>>>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>>>>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>>>>> Specification wish list:
>>>>> 512GB SSD
>>>>> 16GB RAM
>>>>>
>>>>
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From linux-il at didi.bardavid.org  Tue May 12 22:45:46 2020
From: linux-il at didi.bardavid.org (Yedidyah Bar David)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:45:46 +0300
Subject: Gmail and Claws
In-Reply-To: <20200427223656.306284f2@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <CAOZ3CQS2BQizeSS-Zvo68XRzon+8bPBRW+PiJbFpfZG633w3mA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20200425161057.6d9756f6@mydesk.domain.cxm>
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Not directly related, but I'd like to also point out, as no-one
mentioned this yet:

https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html

TL;DR: they are stopping Less-Secure-Apps support in June. Blog post
talks about "G Suite", so perhaps does not apply to gmail.com, not
sure.

So: Be prepared to start using OAUTH2, and if your favourite app does
not support that, plan ahead - find an alternative, spend time adding
that yourself, lobby...

My guess is that even if this does not apply to gmail.com, nor to
app-specific passwords, it will likely eventually apply to these.
Didn't do a thorough search on the subject.

Best regards,

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:37 AM Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:43:51 +0300
> shlomo solomon <shlomo.solomon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I see what you're doing, but don't see how this would solve my
> > problem. Moving from pop3 to imap would not change the fact that
> > Google is not allowing me to login.
>
> It takes about 10 minutes to make the switch, and if necessary 10
> minutes to switch it back. If it changes the symptom, then your mental
> model of how things really are (as opposed to their design or how a
> sane person would design it) was inaccurate. In other words, the bug
> could be bizarre, and if that's true, 10 minutes is the cheapest
> possible way to find out.
>
> I wish I had a dime for every time somebody said "it can't be that,
> that won't change it" when I recommended a diagnostic test, and then the
> diagnostic test changes it in an unexpected way.
>
>
> > And most probably, Ori is correct
> > in his opinion that the problem is the login to Google services - not
> > to pop3.
>
> >
> > Or do you think that procmail would be allowed to login where claws is
> > not allowed?
>
> That would be fetchmail grabbing your mail from the server. Fetchamail
> grabs it, then hands it off, on your local machine, to procmail to be
> sorted or /dev/nulled. In answer to your question, if Claws is buggy
> when it pulls pop, then swapping in fetchmail would fix the problem.
> Or, if the problem is with Google's pop server but not their imap
> server, then switching to imap would fix the problem. And if the
> problem doesn't get fixed, you ruled out some things.
>
> >
> > Just to remind you of what I wrote in my original post - this has
> > worked fine for many years and since nothing has changed on my end, I
> > have no reason to think that pop3 is the problem.
>
> That's my point. The past few weeks you've randomly gotten this error
> when pulling email. It's an intermittent problem, logic is the usual
> victim of intermittent problem, and it's often best to use an alternate
> set of debugging tactics when dealing with intermittents.
>
> What I'd do in your situation is:
>
> 1) Make a Claws folder just to contain downloaded stuff.
>
> 2) Temporarily configure fetchmail to retrieve from the offending gmail
> account and send the messages to procmail.
>
> 3) Configure procmail to place all messages in your new folder
>
> 4) Look for evidence of login failures
>
>
> In case you're using MH folders with your Claws, here are some docs on
> how to get procmail to drop messages into MH folders:
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/mh-e/Procmail.html
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/336420/how-do-you-use-procmail-mda-to-deliver-files-to-be-read-by-mh
>
> https://linux.die.net/man/5/procmailex
>
> http://www.cs.utah.edu/~clake/soc_mh.html
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother?
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb
>
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From linux-il at didi.bardavid.org  Tue May 12 23:08:41 2020
From: linux-il at didi.bardavid.org (Yedidyah Bar David)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:08:41 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGtcZ6tko8L2YBod-fCvTqfTy8y5jvvU3_A3dLAawdUyUOKDug@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:49 PM Dimid Duchovny <dimidd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> Webcam
>
> The budget is around 2k shekels.
> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?

FWIW: Around two months ago, when it was clear that with the corona
situation I'll need another laptop, for my kids' home-schooling, I
went to the nearby KSP store, asked what they can offer (without even
searching their site), and bought something that I can't find on their
site anymore, but similar ones are:

https://ksp.co.il/?select=.268..271..132..1784.&kg=&list=1&sort=2&glist=0&uin=0&txt_search=&buy=&minprice=0&maxprice=0&intersect=&rintersect=&store_real=

This link to a search result gives you all their Dell laptops with
Linux on them, cheapest first, which is currently ~ 2500 NIS. Mine was
~ 2300 NIS and has 256GB SSD (vs 512 for cheapest now).

It arrived with Ubuntu 18.04, everything worked out of the box. My
kids generally like it, and I too (but hardly ever use it, other than
for helping them), definitely for this price.

Cheapest there with 16GB RAM (which is what you wanted) is ~ 4000,
quite a lot higher, but perhaps you can add RAM to one of the others,
no idea.

 Of course, if you buy a brand name, you can get it in any other
store, and are quite likely to get exactly the same thing, as opposed
to someone building it for you from parts.

Best regards,

>
> TIA
> _______________________________________________
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed May 13 06:17:36 2020
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:17:36 -0400
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znWV-8QHQ1hLeH2EGVPEbfXib3Lw8JGgE+u3JpyJVxt63g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
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Message-ID: <20200512231736.221c14f1@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Geoffrey!
> 
> Please see
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.

Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
description of why:

http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices

If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
*on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.

Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
phrase "I don?t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
support the action of their current government."

SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
     of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques


From tzafrir at cohens.org.il  Wed May 13 10:48:34 2020
From: tzafrir at cohens.org.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:48:34 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znUdf-zcO4E9c3Lpc8x6B2MXXmN0PQvebvM3TGMHL60pZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2f51264a-5c97-a615-8852-8d4f485a32e4@cohens.org.il>

Geoff,

On 12/05/2020 22:16, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> 
> Hi Geoffrey,
> 
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:51 PM Geoffrey Mendelson
> <geoffreymendelson at gmail.com <mailto:geoffreymendelson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and
>     reading the link.
> 
>     It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president
>     of the FSF that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of
>     Israel. It had nothing to do with linux mint.

That is what you wrote then. However it is not really based on any data.
At the time IBM really wanted to continue developing its own fork of
OpenOffice and for that they did not want OpenOffice to continue with
the LibreOffice fork, that already existed (and had a license that would
prevent them from making a priprietary fork).

That is the most probably cause for Oracle to move OpenOffice to Apache.
Stallman wasn't really involved with LibreOffice at the time.

See my reply from then:
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66440.html

Oh, and if you go a bit up that thread you see another message that
happened to be by me that mentions that Mint is such an anti-Israeli
distribution that it has partnered to Compulab (an Israeli company) that
ships boxes with Mint pre-installed, and they are clearly listed with an
Israeli flag in their "partners" page:
https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php

So Clem was ignorant and made incorrect statements almost 15 years ago.
He realized he was wrong and repented (again, almost 15 years ago). And
yet you keep making those false accusations. Even after you were
corrected time and again.

-- Tzafrir


From tzafrir at cohens.org.il  Wed May 13 11:05:10 2020
From: tzafrir at cohens.org.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:05:10 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <20200512231736.221c14f1@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM5d8c6XWhMhw=WjLqFfi+XnoFOE0no0do=Zu-cUpmTSLjRhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <48c7b791-c99c-4e23-8cde-865e1ae7b22f@Spark>
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Hi,

On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
> Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>
>> Please see
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> 
> Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
> computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
> description of why:
> 
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices
> 
> If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
> project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
> *on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
> Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.

See the archived Wikipedia talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy

On the official blog he wrote:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775
That is: that politics is out of the official Linux Mint blog.

> 
> Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
> message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
> phrase "I don?t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
> support the action of their current government."

As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in Linux
Mint's partners page:
https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php

I'd say: what was was was was.

-- Tzafrir


From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Wed May 13 11:15:59 2020
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:15:59 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <2f51264a-5c97-a615-8852-8d4f485a32e4@cohens.org.il>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <34860cce-b57b-4a81-ba38-791b3dca06a6@Spark>


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
On May 13, 2020, 10:48 AM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il>, wrote:
>
> At the time IBM really wanted to continue developing its own fork of
> OpenOffice and for that they did not want OpenOffice to continue with
> the LibreOffice fork, that already existed (and had a license that would
> prevent them from making a priprietary fork).
>
> That is the most probably cause for Oracle to move OpenOffice to Apache.
> Stallman wasn't really involved with LibreOffice at the time.
>
> You are guessing, sorry. While Ellison did not reveal his decision process, he is very pro Israel.
>
> Stallman wasnt involved because the FSF did not have control of OO and it was not covered by the GPL. Was the FSF interested in taking it over, no one has ever said officially, but there was plenty of people asking for it and speculation that it was going to happen.
>
> As for proprietary forks, the owners of Asterisk did exactly that. They sold a proprietary license to IBM for $10 million, screwing the people who contributed most of the code who did so because it was GPL.
>
> As for Linux Mint, you are welcome to "forgive and forget", I am not.
>
> Geoff
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu May 14 07:30:50 2020
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 00:30:50 -0400
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <c18a173c-679a-6acf-8b1c-8f04663dad13@cohens.org.il>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 13 May 2020 11:05:10 +0300
Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il> wrote:

> On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The following is a
> > contemporaneous description of why:
> > 
> > http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices
> > 
> > If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
> > project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre
> > placed *on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
> > Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.  
> 
> See the archived Wikipedia talk page:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy

Huh? Which part of the preceding link's 20997 word pile of diatribes is
the point you're making?

 
> On the official blog he wrote:
> https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775
> That is: that politics is out of the official Linux Mint blog.

And that would have been sufficient if the Mint project
hadn't deliberately rejected my suggestion.

> 
> > 
> > Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about,
> > the message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog
> > included the phrase "I don?t want any money or help coming from
> > Israel or people who support the action of their current
> > government."  
> 
> As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in
> Linux Mint's partners page:
> https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php

Some of my best friends are Black.

(The preceding is an American idiom for a bigot who claims not to be
because he has friends in the group he's bigotted against.)
 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
     of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques


From shlomif at gmail.com  Thu May 14 10:24:53 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:24:53 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <c18a173c-679a-6acf-8b1c-8f04663dad13@cohens.org.il>
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Message-ID: <CANy4znX8k=wXF8E-OggHm6yQ+y5DySQayFGf_gK7krN_ew=gXg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tzafrir and all!

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:05 AM Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
> > Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Geoffrey!
> >>
> >> Please see
> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> >> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> >
> > Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
> > computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
> > description of why:
> >
> >
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices
> >
> > If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
> > project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
> > *on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
> > Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.
>
> See the archived Wikipedia talk page:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy
>
> On the official blog he wrote:
> https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775
> That is: that politics is out of the official Linux Mint blog.
>
> >
> > Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
> > message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
> > phrase "I don?t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
> > support the action of their current government."
>
> As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in Linux
> Mint's partners page:
> https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php
>
> I'd say: what was was was was.
>
>
I just would like to say that I agree with you here. From my experience,
life is too short to hold such grudges and keep finding flies in ointments.

(Written in part by inspiration from Eli Marmor's law).



> -- Tzafrir
>
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu May 14 21:39:02 2020
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <CANy4znX8k=wXF8E-OggHm6yQ+y5DySQayFGf_gK7krN_ew=gXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20200514143902.473a2cbc@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Thu, 14 May 2020 10:24:53 +0300
Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tzafrir and all!
> 
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:05 AM Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:  

> > > Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about,
> > > the message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog
> > > included the phrase "I don?t want any money or help coming from
> > > Israel or people who support the action of their current
> > > government."  
> >
> > As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in
> > Linux Mint's partners page:
> > https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php
> >
> > I'd say: what was was was was.
> >
> >  
> I just would like to say that I agree with you here. From my
> experience, life is too short to hold such grudges and keep finding
> flies in ointments.

That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
recommend Mint again. 

Here's the thing though: Somebody asks about about a pre-loaded
computer, and another guy says, to roll your own with Mint. There are
zillions of "we do it all for you", hardware ultrarecognition, easy to
install distros. So which did the person recommend *on an Israeli LUG
mail list*? Mint.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
     of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu May 14 23:08:06 2020
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:08:06 -0400
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <20200514143902.473a2cbc@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:


> That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
> recommend Mint again. 

I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I should have bowed out of it
long ago. First of all, I'm presumably on the same side as most of you
when it comes to the major important facts, as opposed to the side show
I've been discussing. Number two, I have nowhere near as much skin in
the game as most of you have.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
     of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques


From tzafrir at cohens.org.il  Fri May 15 15:59:39 2020
From: tzafrir at cohens.org.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 15:59:39 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <20200514160806.34eb9f91@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7a128d05-8529-da4e-dfca-0ea768f08642@cohens.org.il>

Hi,

Pardon me for straying a bit off the topic of the recent sub-thread,

On 14/05/2020 23:08, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
>> recommend Mint again. 
> 
> I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I should have bowed out of it
> long ago. First of all, I'm presumably on the same side as most of you
> when it comes to the major important facts, as opposed to the side show
> I've been discussing. Number two, I have nowhere near as much skin in
> the game as most of you have.

Be actually constructive and more on-topic and answer the question.

The last computer I bought with Linux pre-installed was a purism laptop.
Rather expensive and cannot be bought in Israel. The OS is a Debian
derivative, and it works well out of that specific box. But then again,
if you don't limit yourself to Israel, there are a number of others.

-- Tzafrir


From marcvolovic at me.com  Fri May 15 18:09:13 2020
From: marcvolovic at me.com (marc volovic)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 18:09:13 +0300
Subject: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?
In-Reply-To: <7a128d05-8529-da4e-dfca-0ea768f08642@cohens.org.il>
References: <CANKvuDdoVX4WdSdhNTwScfUn=TPfqTTt3Oje6mJ9u26SrtBAKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <07CE7183-FBFE-4972-8E7A-B0376F0624C9@me.com>

I missed mist of the discussion, so pardon me for possible going over plowed ground - it is probably difficult to nigh impossible to buy a linux-installed machine, but it is quite easy to buy a "no os" machine (actually, with freedos). Why not get one of them and deploy whatever flavour of Linux the tickles your fancy?

And no - I am not going to debate which distro is shiniest.

On 15 May 2020 15:59:39 GMT+03:00, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Pardon me for straying a bit off the topic of the recent sub-thread,
>
>On 14/05/2020 23:08, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
>> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
>>> recommend Mint again. 
>> 
>> I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I should have bowed out of
>it
>> long ago. First of all, I'm presumably on the same side as most of
>you
>> when it comes to the major important facts, as opposed to the side
>show
>> I've been discussing. Number two, I have nowhere near as much skin in
>> the game as most of you have.
>
>Be actually constructive and more on-topic and answer the question.
>
>The last computer I bought with Linux pre-installed was a purism
>laptop.
>Rather expensive and cannot be bought in Israel. The OS is a Debian
>derivative, and it works well out of that specific box. But then again,
>if you don't limit yourself to Israel, there are a number of others.
>
>-- Tzafrir
>
>_______________________________________________
>Linux-il mailing list
>Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il

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From levonshe at yandex.com  Sun May 17 12:57:42 2020
From: levonshe at yandex.com (Lev Olshvang)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 12:57:42 +0300
Subject: Access host from QEMU guest
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From linux-il at shimi.net  Sun May 17 14:16:30 2020
From: linux-il at shimi.net (shimi)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:16:30 +0300
Subject: Access host from QEMU guest
In-Reply-To: <692241589708735@mail.yandex.ru>
References: <692241589708735@mail.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CAKnt4U8D0-rx=vWNSGTbp8fbt1iAr8a9SEr6u_fSVh7r1UW2OA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 12:58 PM Lev Olshvang <levonshe at yandex.com> wrote:

> I read once that  QEMU linux guest has reserved IP of the host.
>
> I did not bookmarked it, can anyone help?
>
>

Do you mean that the IP allocation to the MAC is reserved the next time you
start the VM?

I don't have a reference, but on my system this is libvirt running
dnsmasq... my allocations are at /var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq/ ...

HTH,

-- Shimi
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From efraim at flashner.co.il  Sun May 17 14:59:45 2020
From: efraim at flashner.co.il (Efraim Flashner)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:59:45 +0300
Subject: Access host from QEMU guest
In-Reply-To: <692241589708735@mail.yandex.ru>
References: <692241589708735@mail.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <20200517115945.GC31833@E5400>

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 12:57:42PM +0300, Lev Olshvang wrote:
>    I read once that ?QEMU linux guest has reserved IP of the host.
>    ?
>    I did not bookmarked it, can anyone help?
>    ?
>    Thanks
>    ?
>    Just share reference
>    https://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/02/how-to-transfer-files-between-host-and-qemu-via-ssh-and-nfs/
>    ?

I normally make sure to forward at least one port to the guest. I happen
to have the following code snippet. It says hurd but it should still
hold true.

("/hurd/pfinet" "--interface" "eth0"
                "--address" "10.0.2.15" ;the default QEMU guest IP
                "--netmask" "255.255.255.0"
                "--gateway" "10.0.2.2"
                "--ipv6" "/servers/socket/16")

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From levonshe at yandex.com  Sun May 17 15:32:23 2020
From: levonshe at yandex.com (Lev Olshvang)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 15:32:23 +0300
Subject: __STDC_VERSION__ is not know in Linux kernel module, why ?
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From shlomif at gmail.com  Sun May 17 18:41:38 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:41:38 +0300
Subject: __STDC_VERSION__ is not know in Linux kernel module, why ?
In-Reply-To: <655441589718221@mail.yandex.ru>
References: <655441589718221@mail.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CANy4znXeUmPGR-5SJb48CYW6wDDPyyJySDUees0ZSwupeJYZTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lev!

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:33 PM Lev Olshvang <levonshe at yandex.com> wrote:

> I am trying to include  ELF object file into kernel module
>
> It gives me a warning of undefined __STDC_VERSION__  symbol
> "__STDC_VERSION__" is not defined, evaluates to 0
>
> But continues and resulted module works,
>
> I see from
> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html that
> _STDC_VERSION__ is built in gcc macro
>
> Please comment
>

Can you provide more details about this issue?

See:

* https://github.com/shlomif/writing-the-perfect-question

* https://github.com/shlomif/how-to-share-code-online

* http://www.sscce.org/

Did you compile that ELF object yourself? If so - can you provide sources?
Did you use the kernel build system:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/kbuild/index.html ?

Note that kernel dev is not my forte .

Lev
> P.S.
> BTW, I am looking  for a job, try me !
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From levonshe at yandex.com  Wed May 20 10:50:05 2020
From: levonshe at yandex.com (Lev Olshvang)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:50:05 +0300
Subject: OT - looking for a job
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From levonshe at yandex.com  Wed May 20 11:09:11 2020
From: levonshe at yandex.com (Lev Olshvang)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:09:11 +0300
Subject: __STDC_VERSION__ : What C dialect c89, c99,gnu90 kernel compiies  ?
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From shlomif at gmail.com  Wed May 20 11:20:04 2020
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:20:04 +0300
Subject: __STDC_VERSION__ : What C dialect c89, c99,
 gnu90 kernel compiies ?
In-Reply-To: <1288241589961043@mail.yandex.ru>
References: <1288241589961043@mail.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CANy4znXS8OSTqsM-h5Gm_tbrQTmf8Ot_mK_TFKw+DQMBrS4wSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lev!

You did not address all my questions in my previous reply - see the mailing
list archive (was it flagged as spam?)

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:09 AM Lev Olshvang <levonshe at yandex.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am building out of tree kernel module.
>
> I am trying to include user-space lib into the kernel module
>
> I reference include file of this lib to use the API.  I  got the following
> warning  during make
>
> "__STDC_VERSION__" is not defined, evaluates to 0
>
> But continues and resulted module works,
>
> I see from
> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html
> that _STDC_VERSION__ is a built-in gcc macro, so I think that evenh
> kernel compilation should be able to see it.
>
> Please comment
> Lev.
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From vordoo at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 18:59:59 2020
From: vordoo at yahoo.com (vordoo)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 18:59:59 +0300
Subject: New Modem Router Recommendations?
References: <76238826-fc81-b4d4-04cc-c39ca7f00586.ref@yahoo.com>
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From _ at yuv.al  Thu May 21 19:20:37 2020
From: _ at yuv.al (Yuval Adam)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:20:37 +0300
Subject: New Modem Router Recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <76238826-fc81-b4d4-04cc-c39ca7f00586@yahoo.com>
References: <76238826-fc81-b4d4-04cc-c39ca7f00586.ref@yahoo.com>
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From tewner at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:40:31 2020
From: tewner at gmail.com (Michael Tewner)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:40:31 +0300
Subject: New Modem Router Recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <d0b4db71-2137-fe0d-a9ce-f88043cdcd78@yuv.al>
References: <76238826-fc81-b4d4-04cc-c39ca7f00586.ref@yahoo.com>
 <76238826-fc81-b4d4-04cc-c39ca7f00586@yahoo.com>
 <d0b4db71-2137-fe0d-a9ce-f88043cdcd78@yuv.al>
Message-ID: <CAPxava-eG99GcDMmgr5xD1=G9++nREcUarqoS-=0qVGrb1V+TA@mail.gmail.com>

In addition to everything Yuval said, especially about putting the modem
into "bridge" mode -
OpenWRT is a great choice. Alternately, I've been using a Ubiquiti
EdgeRouter-X to do PPPoE. The ER-X is a ~200 NIS Gigabit router with
integrated switch chip. I love these little Ubiquiti devices!
DataSheet: https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf
-mike


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 7:21 PM Yuval Adam <_ at yuv.al> wrote:

> Definitely the TP-Link, they have great hardware and that device works
> great as an xDSL modem.
>
> Furthermore, D-Link devices tend to run on outdated kernels.
>
>
> Put the TP-Link in bridge mode to minimize attack surface, use it just as
> a dumb modem, and put a proper OpenWrt box behind it.
>
>
> On 5/21/20 6:59 PM, vordoo wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Think I'm down to: TP-Link TD-W9970 vs D-Link DSL-224. Any
> recommendations/thoughts/war-story's are highly appreciated. Sadly they
> both do not support dd-wrt or open-wrt, it looks like no ADSL modem does
> these days, so that will need an extra box.
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From geoffreymendelson at gmail.com  Thu May 21 20:00:33 2020
From: geoffreymendelson at gmail.com (Geoffrey Mendelson)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:00:33 +0300
Subject: New Modem Router Recommendations?
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I have a tp-link archer 600 router, I got from my ISP, and it does not reliably pass packets to and from the wifi and wired networks.

Eventually, I will get around to replacing it.

Geoff.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
On May 21, 2020, 7:41 PM +0300, Michael Tewner <tewner at gmail.com>, wrote:
> In addition to everything Yuval said, especially about putting the modem into "bridge" mode -
> OpenWRT is a great choice. Alternately, I've been using a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter-X to do?PPPoE. The ER-X is a ~200 NIS Gigabit router with integrated?switch chip. I love these little Ubiquiti devices!
> DataSheet:?https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf
> -mike
>
>
> > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 7:21 PM Yuval Adam <_ at yuv.al> wrote:
> > > Definitely the TP-Link, they have great hardware and that device works great as an xDSL modem.
> > > Furthermore, D-Link devices tend to run on outdated kernels.
> > >
> > > Put the TP-Link in bridge mode to minimize attack surface, use it just as a dumb modem, and put a proper OpenWrt box behind it.
> > >
> > > On 5/21/20 6:59 PM, vordoo wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Think I'm down to: TP-Link TD-W9970 vs D-Link DSL-224. Any recommendations/thoughts/war-story's are highly appreciated. Sadly they both do not support dd-wrt or open-wrt, it looks like no ADSL modem does these days, so that will need an extra box.
> > > >
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From vordoo at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 10:47:14 2020
From: vordoo at yahoo.com (vordoo)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:47:14 +0300
Subject: New Modem Router Recommendations?
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