From slitt at troubleshooters.com Tue Feb 1 10:10:57 2022 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 03:10:57 -0500 Subject: 3 GoLUG meeting presentations Message-ID: <20220201030822.7030799b@mydesk.domain.cxm> Hi all, For all you late-nighters and second-shifters... The GoLUG meeting at 7pm on Wednesday 2/2/2022 7PM Eastern (New York) time, features three short presentations, as detailed at http://golug.info. Due to time constraints, we're not taking any more presenters for the 2/2/2022 meeting. Presentations plus each presentation's 10 minute question and answer are scheduled to take 1.5 hours. Presenters, please arrive at least 15 minutes early to test your sound and video setup and make sure you're able to share your screen. I'll probably arrive about half an hour early. This is an online meeting via Jitsi. The URL is https://meet.jit.si/golug From Linux, I've had best success using Jitsi from the Chromium browser. Others have been able to use Firefox, but I haven't. There are also static image apps you can download. Jitsi works fine with Mac, Windows, iPhone and Android. If you're not using headphones, or if you're working from a noisy environment, please keep your mike muted except when speaking. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques From borissh1983 at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 14:50:59 2022 From: borissh1983 at gmail.com (borissh1983 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 14:50:59 +0200 Subject: Anyone have a working open source pidgin/irc bridge for Office 365 Teams chat service ? Message-ID: <1998527.yYJm8sT3YO@beast> Hi, I'm searching for an open source plugin or an open source bridge that would support getting messages and sending them for Microsoft teams ? The good old SIPE protocol plugin does not suppert teams. From mark.e.fuller at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 15:15:16 2022 From: mark.e.fuller at gmail.com (Mark E. Fuller) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 15:15:16 +0200 Subject: FOSDEM Swag Order Message-ID: <61fa83e6.1c69fb81.c2caa.1f41@mx.google.com> With FOSDEM[0] this weekend I was looking at what it will be to get my shirt/sweatshirt[1] and shipping to Israel is very high. If there is anyone else "attending" who would like to coordinate, I would be happy to place an order for a group to save costs. I'll also be volunteering on the FOSDEM helpdesk on Sunday, so feel free to say hi - the whole meeting is being run through Matrix like last year. [0] https://fosdem.org/2022/ [1] https://fosdem.org/2022/tshirts/ -- Mark E. Fuller, Ph.D. HaShikma 19, Apt. 24 Nesher 3681219, Israel +972 (0)53-872-6579 +49 (0)1577 1848188 +1 401-214-4266 mark.e.fuller at gmail.com mark.e.fuller at gmx.de fuller at stossrohr.net @fuller:one.ems.host https://www.stossrohr.net PGP Fingerprint: 73F1 A30C BDF4 DB4B C75F FD0F D599 E76C FFCA BF60 From dimidd at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 10:45:35 2022 From: dimidd at gmail.com (Dimid Duchovny) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 10:45:35 +0200 Subject: A mailto link with RTL body Message-ID: Hi, Is it possible to add some unicode characters so that the body of the email will be displayed right-to-left? I've tried the answer here with both Thunderbird and Gmail, and it didn't work. https://stackoverflow.com/a/7556801 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Should beginners on Linux be directed > toward trying out WSL? > > > I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well. > > > Thank you, > > Shachar > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.e.fuller at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 17:46:41 2022 From: mark.e.fuller at gmail.com (Mark E. Fuller) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 15:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: 5 Feb 2022 8:38:26 Yaacov Zamir : > Hi, > > Sorry for the off topic answer > I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner.? > Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE?? > Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins? > Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers? > Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization? > What type of beginner do you have in mind? > > ?????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2022, 09:11 PM, ??? Shachar Shemesh ?: >> >> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed toward trying out WSL? >> >> >> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well. >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Shachar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il Tl;dr what is the intended application? An analogous question came up previously elsewhere, only instead of WSL, the subject was Arch. I think my line of reasoning still applies: First question is why? Why do you want to run Linux? If you have a box and time to spare and you want to dive down the rabbit hole and don't care how long it takes to get a functioning machine, then Arch is fine. You want to just slap something on a computer that will run as a desktop so you can work, probably Fedora or Ubuntu. 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On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh wrote: > The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't > know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be. > On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote: > > Hi, > > Sorry for the off topic answer > I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give > different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner. > Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE? > Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins? > Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers? > Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization? > What type of beginner do you have in mind? > > ?????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2022, 09:11 PM, ??? Shachar Shemesh ?< > shachar at shemesh.biz>: > >> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed >> toward trying out WSL? >> >> >> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well. >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Shachar >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing listLinux-il at cs.huji.ac.ilhttp://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aviram at jenik.com Sun Feb 6 06:15:58 2022 From: aviram at jenik.com (Aviram Jenik) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:15:58 -0800 Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: LMGTFY: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=wsl+linux - Aviram On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 7:22 PM Michael Shiloh wrote: > What is WSL? > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh > wrote: > >> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't >> know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be. >> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Sorry for the off topic answer >> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give >> different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner. >> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE? >> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins? >> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers? >> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization? >> What type of beginner do you have in mind? >> >> ?????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2022, 09:11 PM, ??? 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On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 8:48 AM Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > On 06/02/2022 05:21, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > What is WSL? > > Windows Subsystem for Linux. > > > It allows you, on any Windows 10 machine, to install a virtual machine + Linux with a single command. It allows you to open an Ubuntu (some other distros are also supported, but Ubuntu is their main one) shell that is sort-of kinda integrated into Windows. No GUI support, at this time. > > > It has been highly hyped, because Microsoft is, essentially, bundling Linux. Then again, I'm more excited about the fact that WordPad now opens ODT files out of the box (Word has done that for quite some time). > > > At the end of the day, I see no difference between WSL and installing VirtualBox, configuring shared folders, and installing Ubuntu on it. Installation is easier, but VirtualBox also gives you GUI. > > > The only area I'm not sure how things work is around system services. VirtualBox doesn't give me nested virtualization, so I can't get WSL working on my Windows inside a VM. I'll need to reboot to test it, so I'm doing the lazy thing and asking whether anyone else has any experience :-) > > > Shachar > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il From shlomif at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 07:04:00 2022 From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 07:04:00 +0200 Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: Hi Michael! On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:22 AM Michael Shiloh wrote: > > What is WSL? > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux ; https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/starved_of_employees.xhtml ; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 . > On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh wrote: >> >> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be. >> >> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Sorry for the off topic answer >> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner. >> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE? >> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins? >> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers? >> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization? >> What type of beginner do you have in mind? >> >> ?????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2022, 09:11 PM, ??? Shachar Shemesh ?: >>> >>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed toward trying out WSL? >>> >>> >>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well. >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Shachar >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/ Chuck Norris was challenged to fight the world, and accepted. He bet on himself, won, and collected the bet money. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . From uri at speedy.net Sun Feb 6 07:12:03 2022 From: uri at speedy.net (=?UTF-8?B?15DXldeo15k=?=) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 07:12:03 +0200 Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: Personally I never used WSL, and I have been using Linux servers and Windows desktops for more than 20 years. ???? uri at speedy.net On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 7:04 AM Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi Michael! > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:22 AM Michael Shiloh > wrote: > > > > What is WSL? > > > > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux ; > > https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/starved_of_employees.xhtml > ; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 . > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh > wrote: > >> > >> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't > know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be. > >> > >> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Sorry for the off topic answer > >> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would > give different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner. > >> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE? > >> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins? > >> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers? > >> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization? > >> What type of beginner do you have in mind? > >> > >> ?????? ??? ??, 4 ????? 2022, 09:11 PM, ??? Shachar Shemesh ?< > shachar at shemesh.biz>: > >>> > >>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed > toward trying out WSL? > >>> > >>> > >>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> > >>> Shachar > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Linux-il mailing list > >>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Linux-il mailing list > >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Linux-il mailing list > >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > -- > Shlomi Fish https://www.shlomifish.org/ > > Chuck Norris was challenged to fight the world, and accepted. He bet > on himself, won, and collected the bet money. > > Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slitt at troubleshooters.com Sun Feb 6 11:41:00 2022 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 04:41:00 -0500 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> Aviram Jenik said on Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:15:58 -0800 >LMGTFY: >https://lmgtfy.app/?q=wsl+linux > >- Aviram I'm sorry, but questioning "what is WSL" doesn't justify an LMGTFY. The original post said nothing about Windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_information_technology_initialisms didn't list "WSL". Neither did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computing_and_IT_abbreviations#W . Neither did https://techterms.com/category/acronyms . The LMGTFY you created still took about 2 minutes research to find. Let me tell you how I handle acronyms, because I'm not a WAD (Walking Acronym Dispenser). See how I did that? If there's a reasonable chance that some readers won't know an acronym, the first time I use it I spell it out and put the acronym in parenthesis, or use the acronym and put the phrase in parenthesis. That's no hardship on me, and that way, my readers don't need to take two minutes to look up an easy acronym, or ten minutes on this one. And don't get me started about acronyms meaning five different things, and having to research for the closest fit. Glib use of acronyms doesn't indicate intelligence, and refusal to research obscure ones before asking the user of the acronym doesn't indicate stupidity or laziness. SIOOT. Spell It Out One Time. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques From slitt at troubleshooters.com Sun Feb 6 11:44:29 2022 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 04:44:29 -0500 Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: <20220206044429.77fa5234@mydesk.domain.cxm> ???? said on Sun, 6 Feb 2022 0 >Personally I never used WSL, and I have been using Linux servers and >Windows desktops for more than 20 years. Being a huge POSIX fan, I'm sure I'd use it if I had Windows machines. Sorry how my left to right settings garbled the reference to ???? . I tried to fix it and only made it worse. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques From shachar at shemesh.biz Sun Feb 6 13:45:02 2022 From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 13:45:02 +0200 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.e.fuller at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 14:03:16 2022 From: mark.e.fuller at gmail.com (Mark E. Fuller) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 14:03:16 +0200 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> I'm new here, but I find LMGTFY and similar responses (like RTFM) to be generally unwelcome and inappropriate. Whether or not they are part of the culture of a listserv or forum, I do not respond in that manner for the simple reason that if I have time to respond, then I have time to respond constructively. On 06/02/2022 13:45, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > On 06/02/2022 11:41, Steve Litt wrote: >> Aviram Jenik said on Sat, 5 Feb 2022 20:15:58 -0800 >> >>> LMGTFY: >>> https://lmgtfy.app/?q=wsl+linux >>> >>> - Aviram >> I'm sorry, but questioning "what is WSL" doesn't justify an LMGTFY. > > I know the focus of your criticism wasn't aimed at me, but I do take it > to heart. > > > I posted WSL without explaining what it was. I'm not sure whether I > assumed people would know what it was, or whether anyone who didn't know > what it was would also not know how to answer my question. Either way, > yeah, I guess I should have spelled it out. > > > In my defense, WSL _is_ how the feature is usually referred to. It's > even the command line that installs it. > > > Shachar > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Mark E. Fuller, Ph.D. HaShikma 19, Apt. 24 Nesher 3681219, Israel +972 (0)53-872-6579 +49 (0)1577 1848188 +1 401-214-4266 mark.e.fuller at gmail.com mark.e.fuller at gmx.de fuller at stossrohr.net @fuller:one.ems.host https://www.stossrohr.net PGP Fingerprint: 73F1 A30C BDF4 DB4B C75F FD0F D599 E76C FFCA BF60 From shachar at shemesh.biz Sun Feb 6 14:45:58 2022 From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 14:45:58 +0200 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tewner at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 17:31:26 2022 From: tewner at gmail.com (Michael Tewner) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 17:31:26 +0200 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: After all of these emails, I still don't know what WSL is *shrug* On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > On 06/02/2022 14:03, Mark E. Fuller wrote: > > I'm new here, but I find LMGTFY and similar responses (like RTFM) to be > generally unwelcome and inappropriate. Whether or not they are part of the > culture of a listserv or forum, I do not respond in that manner for the > simple reason that if I have time to respond, then I have time to respond > constructively. > > Let me just go on record to say I agree. My email referred to my original > question, not to Aviram's answer. > > > Shachar > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at speedy.net Sun Feb 6 18:33:16 2022 From: uri at speedy.net (=?UTF-8?B?15DXldeo15k=?=) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 18:33:16 +0200 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Michael Tewner wrote: > After all of these emails, I still don't know what WSL is *shrug* > Just something like the KGB or DDT. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about "The Windows Subsystem for Linux lets developers run a GNU/Linux environment -- including most command-line tools, utilities, and applications -- directly on Windows, unmodified, without the overhead of a traditional virtual machine or dualboot setup." ?On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 8:33 PM ??????? wrote:? > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Michael Tewner wrote: > >> After all of these emails, I still don't know what WSL is *shrug* >> > > Just something like the KGB or DDT. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mguttman4 at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 19:27:05 2022 From: mguttman4 at gmail.com (Meir Guttman) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 19:27:05 +0200 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: See https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/ Meir Guttman Cell. +972-54-526 2264 On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Michael Tewner wrote: > After all of these emails, I still don't know what WSL is *shrug* > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM Shachar Shemesh > wrote: > >> >> On 06/02/2022 14:03, Mark E. Fuller wrote: >> >> I'm new here, but I find LMGTFY and similar responses (like RTFM) to be >> generally unwelcome and inappropriate. Whether or not they are part of the >> culture of a listserv or forum, I do not respond in that manner for the >> simple reason that if I have time to respond, then I have time to respond >> constructively. >> >> Let me just go on record to say I agree. My email referred to my original >> question, not to Aviram's answer. >> >> >> Shachar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slitt at troubleshooters.com Sun Feb 6 21:58:23 2022 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 14:58:23 -0500 Subject: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044100.1a94a6b4@mydesk.domain.cxm> <6fe916f6-55c6-1d52-f360-1e6b7f5436e8@shemesh.biz> <61ffb906.1c69fb81.ba9cb.bf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20220206145823.22a0227c@mydesk.domain.cxm> Michael Tewner said on Sun, 6 Feb 2022 17:31:26 +0200 >After all of these emails, I still don't know what WSL is *shrug* Windows Subsystem for Linux. I'm at an even bigger disadvantage because when I hear "WSL", I think of my dad, Walter Scott Litt. :-) SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques From uri at speedy.net Mon Feb 7 06:22:52 2022 From: uri at speedy.net (=?UTF-8?B?15DXldeo15k=?=) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 06:22:52 +0200 Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: <20220206044429.77fa5234@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044429.77fa5234@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: Hi, I'm using git bash - by installing Git for Windows, I get a bash shell with most of the commands I need from Linux, and I can run it also when not related to git. For example diff, awk, etc. Also if for some reason I need a real Linux machine, I can SSH to one of my Ubuntu servers, and run my command remotely from there. I never had a need to run a Linux app that is not a shell command on my desktop. ???? uri at speedy.net On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 11:44 AM Steve Litt wrote: > ???? said on Sun, 6 Feb 2022 0 > > >Personally I never used WSL, and I have been using Linux servers and > >Windows desktops for more than 20 years. > > Being a huge POSIX fan, I'm sure I'd use it if I had Windows machines. > > Sorry how my left to right settings garbled the reference to ???? . I > tried to fix it and only made it worse. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 07:54:46 2022 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 09:54:46 +0400 Subject: Should beginners work with WSL? In-Reply-To: References: <77281da6-5d6d-6f81-8739-1817c8f5e05a@shemesh.biz> <20220206044429.77fa5234@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: That's a cool trick, thanks for the idea! ?On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 8:23 AM ??????? wrote:? > > Hi, > > I'm using git bash - by installing Git for Windows, I get a bash shell with most of the commands I need from Linux, and I can run it also when not related to git. For example diff, awk, etc. > > Also if for some reason I need a real Linux machine, I can SSH to one of my Ubuntu servers, and run my command remotely from there. > > I never had a need to run a Linux app that is not a shell command on my desktop. > > > ???? > uri at speedy.net > > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 11:44 AM Steve Litt wrote: >> >> ???? said on Sun, 6 Feb 2022 0 >> >> >Personally I never used WSL, and I have been using Linux servers and >> >Windows desktops for more than 20 years. >> >> Being a huge POSIX fan, I'm sure I'd use it if I had Windows machines. >> >> Sorry how my left to right settings garbled the reference to ???? . I >> tried to fix it and only made it worse. >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful >> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il From boruch_baum at gmx.com Thu Feb 10 10:11:57 2022 From: boruch_baum at gmx.com (Boruch Baum) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:11:57 -0500 Subject: ZFS error correction and encryption Message-ID: <20220210081157.muyogmxsggf4ilqb@E15-2016.optimum.net> Can anyone on-list answer two related ZFS questions? 1) block checksum data in 'sent' snapshots One of the attractive features of ZFS is that it offers a form of "error correction". My understanding is that what ZFS does actually is checksum its blocks and upon noticing that one has gone bad, checks for a copy *somewhere*, where *somewhere* is documented as a RAID mirror. I'm considering using ZFS for SSD elements of a home network, for which I don't see justification for setting up an NFS or RAID mirror array. Is there an alternative technique to benefit from ZFS error correction? The idea that occurs to me is to perform periodic backups using ZFS send and then to immediately copy the 'sent' snapshots to different media. My thought here is that if the 'sent' data includes the block checksums, then should I ever need to perform a restore and be confronted by a bad block, I could mount the copy as a mirror and have ZFS perform the correction. Is such the case? Is this possible? Is there a 'better' technique? 2) native encryption of 'sent' snapshots For a ZFS pool with native encryption, are its 'sent' data also natively encrypted? If not, are there any known problems or issues related to piping 'sent' data through gpg or other encryptor? -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From vordoo at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 12:50:35 2022 From: vordoo at yahoo.com (Vordoo) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:50:35 +0200 Subject: ZFS error correction and encryption In-Reply-To: <20220210081157.muyogmxsggf4ilqb@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20220210081157.muyogmxsggf4ilqb@E15-2016.optimum.net> Message-ID: <1e50b1f9-d26c-cdfa-f568-08a6a7bb77cc@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boruch_baum at gmx.com Fri Feb 11 00:27:57 2022 From: boruch_baum at gmx.com (Boruch Baum) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:27:57 -0500 Subject: ZFS error correction and encryption In-Reply-To: References: <20220210081157.muyogmxsggf4ilqb@E15-2016.optimum.net> Message-ID: <20220210222757.x3vgxnx6juvksevk@E15-2016.optimum.net> Thanks, Vordoo and Micha. I was hoping someone on-list was administering ZFS at work. This is something for which I'm not comfortable making a commitment without either a confidence-inspiring authoritative answer, or my own time and effort to figure out how to test the scenario. For starters, I suppose I could force a 'bad block' by *carefully* using dd or a hex editor... On 2022-02-10 12:50, Vordoo wrote: > * Not a ZFS or encryption expert by any means * On 2022-02-10 11:23, Micha Bailey wrote: > Regarding 1) I?m not sure, but from a cursory search I?m seeing talk of > > Regarding 2) I believe you want the `-w / --raw` flags to `zfs-send`. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From w1 at zak.co.il Thu Feb 17 07:08:51 2022 From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:08:51 +0200 Subject: Anyone with experience in using LSP (Language Server Protocol) with Emacs? Message-ID: <5ef7ef49c00c801936eee6fee14772c25c27e0e4.camel@zak.co.il> My favorite text editor is Emacs. However, I developed envy for IDEs like IntelliJ IDEA and VSCode, due to their powerful language integrations. Turns out that there is a LSP (Language Server Protocol) which decouples the language integration from the rest of the text editor. See: https://www.toptal.com/javascript/language-server-protocol-tutorial And there is a LSP Mode for Emacs. See: https://emacs-lsp.github.io/lsp-mode/ Since installing emacs-lsp seems to be somewhat complicated, I'd like to know if anyone else has experience with it, and can tell us about his experience, before I try to install it. Thanks, --- Omer Zak -- "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." - Walter E. Williams My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html From vordoo at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 08:59:59 2022 From: vordoo at yahoo.com (Vordoo) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:59:59 +0200 Subject: Anyone with experience in using LSP (Language Server Protocol) with Emacs? In-Reply-To: <5ef7ef49c00c801936eee6fee14772c25c27e0e4.camel@zak.co.il> References: <5ef7ef49c00c801936eee6fee14772c25c27e0e4.camel@zak.co.il> Message-ID: <8c4077ec-0375-47fb-3a49-2a3b3901b2ea@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eliz at gnu.org Thu Feb 17 10:00:55 2022 From: eliz at gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:00:55 +0200 Subject: Anyone with experience in using LSP (Language Server Protocol) with Emacs? In-Reply-To: <8c4077ec-0375-47fb-3a49-2a3b3901b2ea@yahoo.com> (message from Vordoo on Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:59:59 +0200) References: <5ef7ef49c00c801936eee6fee14772c25c27e0e4.camel@zak.co.il> <8c4077ec-0375-47fb-3a49-2a3b3901b2ea@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83fsoh2a88.fsf@gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:59:59 +0200 > From: Vordoo > > Turns out that there is a LSP (Language Server Protocol) which > decouples the language integration from the rest of the text editor. > See: > https://www.toptal.com/javascript/language-server-protocol-tutorial > > And there is a LSP Mode for Emacs. > See: https://emacs-lsp.github.io/lsp-mode/ > > Since installing emacs-lsp seems to be somewhat complicated, I'd like > to know if anyone else has experience with it, and can tell us about > his experience, before I try to install it. An alternative for lsp-mode is eglot: https://github.com/joaotavora/eglot People say it is easier to set up, so maybe you should try that first. From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Feb 18 11:11:56 2022 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 04:11:56 -0500 Subject: Inkscape Presentation at OCLUG 2/19/2022 Message-ID: <20220218041156.673ae5bd@mydesk.domain.cxm> Hi all, Another "Beginning and Intermediate Inkscape" presentation, at a better time, but unfortunately on a Saturday. If you missed my Inkscape presentation but want to see it, I'm giving it again at the monthly Orange County (California USA) LUG (OCLUG) meeting 2/19/2022 at 10am **Pacific Time** (California USA time). This is 1PM New York time. You can see details and URL at http://troubleshooters.com/lugs/oclug/ Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 16:30:02 2022 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:30:02 +0200 Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? Message-ID: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> lxer.com is (was) a great site with links to recent articles about Linux. In the past 2 days, all I see is a page with menu items such as Linux News, Linux programming, etc. But clicking on any menu item just gives me a page with some advertisements. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 From geoff at QuiteLikely.com Fri Feb 18 19:04:28 2022 From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:04:28 +0200 (IST) Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? In-Reply-To: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> References: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > lxer.com is (was) a great site with links to recent articles about > Linux. > > In the past 2 days, all I see is a page with menu items such as Linux > News, Linux programming, etc. > > But clicking on any menu item just gives me a page with some > advertisements. Looks like one of those landing pages when a domain is for sale. Cheers, Geoff. From yeh at uda.co.il Fri Feb 18 19:09:16 2022 From: yeh at uda.co.il (Yehuda Deutsch) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 12:09:16 -0500 Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? In-Reply-To: References: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: That's weird, I am getting the website as I'd expect and the domain does not seem to be in a deletion / redemption period It was actually last updated a month ago and is good for another year Yehuda ------------------------------ *Yehuda Deutsch | IT Developer* On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:05 PM Geoff Shang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > lxer.com is (was) a great site with links to recent articles about > > Linux. > > > > In the past 2 days, all I see is a page with menu items such as Linux > > News, Linux programming, etc. > > > > But clicking on any menu item just gives me a page with some > > advertisements. > > Looks like one of those landing pages when a domain is for sale. > > Cheers, > Geoff. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w1 at zak.co.il Sat Feb 19 17:35:26 2022 From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 17:35:26 +0200 Subject: Anyone with experience in using LSP (Language Server Protocol) with Emacs? In-Reply-To: <83fsoh2a88.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5ef7ef49c00c801936eee6fee14772c25c27e0e4.camel@zak.co.il> <8c4077ec-0375-47fb-3a49-2a3b3901b2ea@yahoo.com> <83fsoh2a88.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <67584d7912c020b4ddf4e4393c11930708ba9954.camel@zak.co.il> I do not mind dealing with difficult set up. What I want to know is if it is worth it - whether the experience with emacs-lsp (and/or its alternatives) is good. I am targetting mostly Python, but would like to know also people's experience about using Emacs with LSP when editing code writting in JavaScript, Java or C/C++. On Thu, 2022-02-17 at 10:00 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:59:59 +0200 > > From: Vordoo > > > > Turns out that there is a LSP (Language Server Protocol) which > > decouples the language integration from the rest of the text > > editor. > > See: > > https://www.toptal.com/javascript/language-server-protocol-tutorial > > > > And there is a LSP Mode for Emacs. > > See: https://emacs-lsp.github.io/lsp-mode/ > > > > Since installing emacs-lsp seems to be somewhat complicated, I'd > > like > > to know if anyone else has experience with it, and can tell us > > about > > his experience, before I try to install it. > > An alternative for lsp-mode is eglot: > > https://github.com/joaotavora/eglot > > People say it is easier to set up, so maybe you should try that > first. -- One does not make peace with enemies. One makes peace with former enemies. My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 19:04:12 2022 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:04:12 +0200 Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? In-Reply-To: References: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: <20220219190412.50770167@shlomo1.solomon> Yehuda Deutsch - if you mean whois, I also get a normal response: Domain Name: LXER.COM Registry Domain ID: 109446700_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com Registrar URL: http://www.enomdomains.com Updated Date: 2022-01-06T10:42:51Z Creation Date: 2004-01-06T22:15:59Z Registry Expiry Date: 2023-01-06T22:15:59Z Registrar: eNom, LLC But the site is not there. As Geoff Shang wrote, the site looks like a landing site of some kind. On www.zoominfo.com I found the following info: LXer is an independent news and opinion site started in 2004 by Dave Whitinger, a well-known personality in the free and open-source software community. The edi... Read More Headquarters Headquarters: 701 S Ridge Ave, Troy, Ohio, 45374, United States Phone Phone: (937) 332-3000 Website Website: www.lxer.com Employees Employees: 29 Revenue Revenue: $5 Million But, although there are also mentions of an editor and a publisher, I could not find any contact information. I did find that Dave Whitinger - the founder - is also involved with the National Gardening Association. I tried to contact him on that site. We'll see if I get an answer. On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 12:09:16 -0500 Yehuda Deutsch wrote: > That's weird, I am getting the website as I'd expect and the domain > does not seem to be in a deletion / redemption period > It was actually last updated a month ago and is good for another year > > Yehuda > ------------------------------ > *Yehuda Deutsch | IT Developer* > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:05 PM Geoff Shang > wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > > > lxer.com is (was) a great site with links to recent articles about > > > Linux. > > > > > > In the past 2 days, all I see is a page with menu items such as > > > Linux News, Linux programming, etc. > > > > > > But clicking on any menu item just gives me a page with some > > > advertisements. > > > > Looks like one of those landing pages when a domain is for sale. > > > > Cheers, > > Geoff. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 From linux-il at shimi.net Sat Feb 19 21:17:41 2022 From: linux-il at shimi.net (shimi) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 21:17:41 +0200 Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? In-Reply-To: <20220219190412.50770167@shlomo1.solomon> References: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> <20220219190412.50770167@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 7:04 PM Shlomo Solomon wrote: > Yehuda Deutsch - if you mean whois, I also get a normal response: > Domain Name: LXER.COM > Registry Domain ID: 109446700_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com > Registrar URL: http://www.enomdomains.com > Updated Date: 2022-01-06T10:42:51Z > Creation Date: 2004-01-06T22:15:59Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2023-01-06T22:15:59Z > Registrar: eNom, LLC > > > > But the site is not there. As Geoff Shang wrote, the site looks > like a landing site of some kind. > > I didn't know the site, but it doesn't look like a parking page for upselling an expired domain. Let's try to be more constructive in debugging this. First - are you getting to the site as published by the site's owner. First, you learn from WHOIS (and also from 'dig @a.gtld-servers.net ns lxer.com') that the nameservers for this site are: ns1.wmkt.net [66.232.124.26] ns2.wmkt.net [66.232.124.28] ns3.wmkt.net [66.232.124.30] Then you follow by 'dig @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com'. You should be getting: $ dig @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com ; <<>> DiG 9.16.25 <<>> @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1540 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;lxer.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: *lxer.com . 3600 IN A 66.232.124.26 * ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns3.wmkt.net. lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns1.wmkt.net. lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns2.wmkt.net. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns1.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.26 ns2.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.28 ns3.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.30 ;; Query time: 183 msec ;; SERVER: 66.232.124.26#53(66.232.124.26) ;; WHEN: Sat Feb 19 21:13:12 IST 2022 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 163 Now, run just 'dig lxer.com' - do you get the same IP? If not, something/someone is messing with your DNS. In that case make sure that the SERVER line indeed has the correct IP address I mentioned above (that I got from the glue records provided for wmkt.net by a.gtld-servers.net) If you do get the same IP, someone can still be messing with your traffic, because that site is HTTP and not HTTPS, so really no one can guarantee you're in fact talking with 66.232.124.26... HTH, -- Shimi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From govershay at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 21:27:10 2022 From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 21:27:10 +0200 Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? In-Reply-To: References: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> <20220219190412.50770167@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: Did you try from another device on you network? On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 9:18 PM shimi wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 7:04 PM Shlomo Solomon > wrote: > >> Yehuda Deutsch - if you mean whois, I also get a normal response: >> Domain Name: LXER.COM >> Registry Domain ID: 109446700_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN >> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com >> Registrar URL: http://www.enomdomains.com >> Updated Date: 2022-01-06T10:42:51Z >> Creation Date: 2004-01-06T22:15:59Z >> Registry Expiry Date: 2023-01-06T22:15:59Z >> Registrar: eNom, LLC >> >> >> >> But the site is not there. As Geoff Shang wrote, the site looks >> like a landing site of some kind. >> >> > I didn't know the site, but it doesn't look like a parking page for > upselling an expired domain. > > Let's try to be more constructive in debugging this. First - are you > getting to the site as published by the site's owner. > > First, you learn from WHOIS (and also from 'dig @a.gtld-servers.net ns > lxer.com') that the nameservers for this site are: ns1.wmkt.net > [66.232.124.26] ns2.wmkt.net [66.232.124.28] ns3.wmkt.net [66.232.124.30] > > Then you follow by 'dig @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com'. You should be getting: > > $ dig @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com > > ; <<>> DiG 9.16.25 <<>> @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1540 > ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4 > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;lxer.com. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > > *lxer.com . 3600 IN A > 66.232.124.26 * > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns3.wmkt.net. > lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns1.wmkt.net. > lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns2.wmkt.net. > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > ns1.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.26 > ns2.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.28 > ns3.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.30 > > ;; Query time: 183 msec > ;; SERVER: 66.232.124.26#53(66.232.124.26) > ;; WHEN: Sat Feb 19 21:13:12 IST 2022 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 163 > > Now, run just 'dig lxer.com' - do you get the same IP? If not, > something/someone is messing with your DNS. In that case make sure that the > SERVER line indeed has the correct IP address I mentioned above (that I got > from the glue records provided for wmkt.net by a.gtld-servers.net) > > If you do get the same IP, someone can still be messing with your traffic, > because that site is HTTP and not HTTPS, so really no one can guarantee > you're in fact talking with 66.232.124.26... > > HTH, > > -- Shimi > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shlomo.solomon at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 23:10:25 2022 From: shlomo.solomon at gmail.com (Shlomo Solomon) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:10:25 +0200 Subject: OT (or maybe not) - what happened to lxer.com? In-Reply-To: References: <20220218163002.05822a27@shlomo1.solomon> <20220219190412.50770167@shlomo1.solomon> Message-ID: <20220219231025.4d23c2dc@shlomo1.solomon> This is REALLY WIERD. I tried earlier from my phone and another computer and got the same "parking" site. But before trying what Shay and Shimi suggested, I tried again on my computer and the site is back to normal. WTF?? I wish I had taken a screen capture earlier to "prove" that I was not dreaming. :-) On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 21:27:10 +0200 Shay Gover wrote: > Did you try from another device on you network? > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 9:18 PM shimi wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 7:04 PM Shlomo Solomon > > wrote: > > > >> Yehuda Deutsch - if you mean whois, I also get a normal response: > >> Domain Name: LXER.COM > >> Registry Domain ID: 109446700_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN > >> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com > >> Registrar URL: http://www.enomdomains.com > >> Updated Date: 2022-01-06T10:42:51Z > >> Creation Date: 2004-01-06T22:15:59Z > >> Registry Expiry Date: 2023-01-06T22:15:59Z > >> Registrar: eNom, LLC > >> > >> > >> > >> But the site is not there. As Geoff Shang wrote, the site looks > >> like a landing site of some kind. > >> > >> > > I didn't know the site, but it doesn't look like a parking page for > > upselling an expired domain. > > > > Let's try to be more constructive in debugging this. First - are you > > getting to the site as published by the site's owner. > > > > First, you learn from WHOIS (and also from 'dig @a.gtld-servers.net > > ns lxer.com') that the nameservers for this site are: ns1.wmkt.net > > [66.232.124.26] ns2.wmkt.net [66.232.124.28] ns3.wmkt.net > > [66.232.124.30] > > > > Then you follow by 'dig @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com'. You should be > > getting: > > > > $ dig @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com > > > > ; <<>> DiG 9.16.25 <<>> @ns1.wmkt.net lxer.com > > ; (1 server found) > > ;; global options: +cmd > > ;; Got answer: > > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1540 > > ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4 > > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available > > > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > > ;lxer.com. IN A > > > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > > > > *lxer.com . 3600 IN A > > 66.232.124.26 * > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > > lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns3.wmkt.net. > > lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns1.wmkt.net. > > lxer.com. 3600 IN NS ns2.wmkt.net. > > > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > > ns1.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.26 > > ns2.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.28 > > ns3.wmkt.net. 86400 IN A 66.232.124.30 > > > > ;; Query time: 183 msec > > ;; SERVER: 66.232.124.26#53(66.232.124.26) > > ;; WHEN: Sat Feb 19 21:13:12 IST 2022 > > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 163 > > > > Now, run just 'dig lxer.com' - do you get the same IP? If not, > > something/someone is messing with your DNS. In that case make sure > > that the SERVER line indeed has the correct IP address I mentioned > > above (that I got from the glue records provided for wmkt.net by > > a.gtld-servers.net) > > > > If you do get the same IP, someone can still be messing with your > > traffic, because that site is HTTP and not HTTPS, so really no one > > can guarantee you're in fact talking with 66.232.124.26... > > > > HTH, > > > > -- Shimi > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-il mailing list > > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04