From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed May  4 06:13:16 2022
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 23:13:16 -0400
Subject: David Billsbrough presents "FreeBSD In The Cloud"
Message-ID: <20220503231316.71bae124@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Hi all,

Wednesday Evening, May 4, 2022, at 7pm Eastern Daylight time David
Billsbrough gives his "FreeBSD In The Cloud" presentation at the
monthly GoLUG online meeting. 

When: 7pm New York time on Wednesday, May 4, 2022. Starts right at 7pm
Eastern Daylight Time.

Where: https://meet.jit.si/golug

Subject: FreeBSD In The Cloud.

Who is David Billsbrough? David Billsbrough is an expert in BSD,
IoT, and Infrastructure As A Service. He's a contract developer and
admin.

What is GoLUG? Greater Orlando Linux User Group, Orlando Florida.

Who will be there? Folks from Orlando Florida, all over the United
  States, and likely internationally.

Where can you get more information? http://golug.info

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt 
March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition
http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm


From julianlx at gmail.com  Wed May 18 17:43:47 2022
From: julianlx at gmail.com (Julian Daich)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:43:47 +0300
Subject: Venue for RMS
Message-ID: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a place to
give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or June 1st. Is there
here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to organize it? He will no
chsrge for his talk.

Please, contact me in private.

Thanks,

Julian
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From w1 at zak.co.il  Wed May 18 18:34:58 2022
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:34:58 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
Israel and Palestine?

If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.


On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 17:43 +0300, Julian Daich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a
> place to give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or
> June 1st. Is there here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to
> organize it? He will no chsrge for his talk.
> 
> Please, contact me in private.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Julian
-- 
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From dyasny at gmail.com  Wed May 18 18:38:36 2022
From: dyasny at gmail.com (Dan Yasny)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:38:36 -0400
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
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On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:35 AM Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:

> Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
> surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
> effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
> so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
> Israel and Palestine?
>
> If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.
>

+1 there should be no room for hypocrisy.


>
>
> On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 17:43 +0300, Julian Daich wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a
> > place to give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or
> > June 1st. Is there here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to
> > organize it? He will no chsrge for his talk.
> >
> > Please, contact me in private.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julian
> --
> Any legal limit to self defense means that there is no right for self
> defense at all.  This is because the aggressors would exploit those
> legal limits to render their victims totally defenseless.
> My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/
>
> My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone.
> They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which
> I may be affiliated in any way.
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From eliz at gnu.org  Wed May 18 18:54:30 2022
From: eliz at gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:54:30 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
 (message from Omer Zak on Wed, 18 May 2022 18:34:58 +0300)
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Message-ID: <83wneieszt.fsf@gnu.org>

> From: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:34:58 +0300
> 
> Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
> surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
> effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
> so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
> Israel and Palestine?
> 
> If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.

He's also the same RMS who single-handedly jump-started the GNU
project and the whole Free Software movement, and wrote some of the
tools me and you are running every day on our GNU/Linux systems.

And yes, his views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are skewed and
sometimes border on the silly, but if you think boycotting us is
wrong, then why do you suggest boycotting him?  Why is it that a
single point of disagreement is enough to call for an ostracism?


From eliz at gnu.org  Wed May 18 18:59:39 2022
From: eliz at gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:59:39 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <CALLXwb5N=HyEgfTkTUmtCBQBztikyTdAdNdXe=WU65SMK07kFw@mail.gmail.com>
 (message from Dan Yasny on Wed, 18 May 2022 11:38:36 -0400)
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> From: Dan Yasny <dyasny at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:38:36 -0400
> Cc: Israel Linux Mailing list <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> 
>  Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
>  surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
>  effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
>  so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
>  Israel and Palestine?
> 
>  If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.
> 
> +1 there should be no room for hypocrisy. 

Such a harsh judgment, based on pure hearsay, without even hearing the
"guilty" side's story, and of a person whom you most probably never
met...


From w1 at zak.co.il  Wed May 18 20:10:59 2022
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:10:59 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <83wneieszt.fsf@gnu.org>
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On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 18:54 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>
> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 18:34:58 +0300
> > 
> > Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011
> > happily
> > surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a
> > token
> > effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's
> > finances
> > so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip
> > to
> > Israel and Palestine?
> > 
> > If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.
> 
> He's also the same RMS who single-handedly jump-started the GNU
> project and the whole Free Software movement, and wrote some of the
> tools me and you are running every day on our GNU/Linux systems.

Several people ignored this history when they threw him out of FSF due
to some attitudes that he had and which are unacceptable to today's
Cancel culture.

We do not have to follow their footsteps. It is enough to ask if he has
anything new to tell us about his stuff.

> And yes, his views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are skewed and
> sometimes border on the silly, but if you think boycotting us is
> wrong, then why do you suggest boycotting him?  Why is it that a
> single point of disagreement is enough to call for an ostracism?

I would not boycott him due to his views on the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict. Not even if he'd advocate for the DS part of BDS.
My issue with him is that HE BOYCOTTED ISRAELI INSTITUTIONS not
approved by the Palestinians. He supported, by his actions, the B part
of BDS.

When there is a boycott, it is impossible to discuss, to argue, to
express disagreement (or even agreement).

He chose to boycott. He should bear the consequences of this choice.
I
don't think we'll lose by this. If he has anything really new to tell
the world, we'll get to know it some way or other.
-- 
Any legal limit to self defense means that there is no right for self
defense at all.  This is because the aggressors would exploit those
legal limits to render their victims totally defenseless.
My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/

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From w1 at zak.co.il  Wed May 18 20:16:44 2022
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:16:44 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
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On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 18:59 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Dan Yasny <dyasny at gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:38:36 -0400
> > Cc: Israel Linux Mailing list <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> > 
> >  Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011
> > happily
> >  surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a
> > token
> >  effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's
> > finances
> >  so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip
> > to
> >  Israel and Palestine?
> > 
> >  If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.
> > 
> > +1 there should be no room for hypocrisy. 
> 
> Such a harsh judgment, based on pure hearsay, without even hearing
> the
> "guilty" side's story, and of a person whom you most probably never
> met...

I personally corresponded with RMS by E-mail at 2011 concerning his
decision to boycott Israeli universities.
I believe that several Linux-IL members (not me) had the opportunity to
meet him in person in a previous visit to Israel.

Boycotting a boycotter is a just judgment, not an overly harsh
judgment. If he has not been willing to communicate with us and argue
with us, we have no reason to listen to him later.

(If he repents and persuades his Palestinian colleagues to repent, too,
it would be a different matter. Then we'll have to verify that the
remorse is genuine.)


-- 
Your liberty to swing your fist ends just where my nose begins.
Your freedom of expression ends where my freedom of expression begins.
Your freedom of religion ends where my rights for equality and
accessibility begin.
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From eliz at gnu.org  Wed May 18 20:36:27 2022
From: eliz at gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:36:27 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <43e773d3f5d814de2a02605ca4465e34d434fce0.camel@zak.co.il>
 (message from Omer Zak on Wed, 18 May 2022 20:10:59 +0300)
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> From: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:10:59 +0300
> 
> > And yes, his views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are skewed and
> > sometimes border on the silly, but if you think boycotting us is
> > wrong, then why do you suggest boycotting him?  Why is it that a
> > single point of disagreement is enough to call for an ostracism?
> 
> I would not boycott him due to his views on the Israeli-Palestinian
> conflict. Not even if he'd advocate for the DS part of BDS.
> My issue with him is that HE BOYCOTTED ISRAELI INSTITUTIONS not
> approved by the Palestinians. He supported, by his actions, the B part
> of BDS.

If you distinguish between his views and deeds, you don't know RMS.
This is the man who never uses a smartphone, or a Web browser with
JavaScript support, because that could cause him to use non-Free
software.  His views and his deeds are inseparable: he acts on his
views immediately and without any compromises.  Thus, if some of his
views are incorrect or silly, so will be the deeds.  I don't always
agree with his radical approach to these matters, but I admire his
ability to live 110% according to his principles; you won't find many
people capable of that.

> He chose to boycott. He should bear the consequences of this choice.

He already have: by refusing to talk in our institutions back then he
was deprived of our attention and our support, and heard some quite
unfriendly remarks, which were well deserved.  Now he does want to
talk (or so it seems; I have no knowledge about his purposes except
what I've read here).  We should encourage people to reassess their
views, not try "punishing" them out of pure vengeance.

> I don't think we'll lose by this.

Your opinion, to which you are entitled.  I don't think it's based on
anything substantial, but even if it is, why should you take upon
yourself to decide for others whether they will hear something new and
useful, and might lose by not hearing that?  IME, one can usually take
something useful out of hearing a smart person, even if one disagrees
with some of his views.


From extuessl at gmail.com  Wed May 18 20:56:25 2022
From: extuessl at gmail.com (Anton Amirian)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:56:25 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <83k0aieo9w.fsf@gnu.org>
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Honestly I'm kinda shocked that some people are more mad at him for not
liking israeli treatment of palestinians than the whole pedophilia thing

what the hell, assess your values

jeez

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 8:37 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz at gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>
> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:10:59 +0300
> >
> > > And yes, his views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are skewed and
> > > sometimes border on the silly, but if you think boycotting us is
> > > wrong, then why do you suggest boycotting him?  Why is it that a
> > > single point of disagreement is enough to call for an ostracism?
> >
> > I would not boycott him due to his views on the Israeli-Palestinian
> > conflict. Not even if he'd advocate for the DS part of BDS.
> > My issue with him is that HE BOYCOTTED ISRAELI INSTITUTIONS not
> > approved by the Palestinians. He supported, by his actions, the B part
> > of BDS.
>
> If you distinguish between his views and deeds, you don't know RMS.
> This is the man who never uses a smartphone, or a Web browser with
> JavaScript support, because that could cause him to use non-Free
> software.  His views and his deeds are inseparable: he acts on his
> views immediately and without any compromises.  Thus, if some of his
> views are incorrect or silly, so will be the deeds.  I don't always
> agree with his radical approach to these matters, but I admire his
> ability to live 110% according to his principles; you won't find many
> people capable of that.
>
> > He chose to boycott. He should bear the consequences of this choice.
>
> He already have: by refusing to talk in our institutions back then he
> was deprived of our attention and our support, and heard some quite
> unfriendly remarks, which were well deserved.  Now he does want to
> talk (or so it seems; I have no knowledge about his purposes except
> what I've read here).  We should encourage people to reassess their
> views, not try "punishing" them out of pure vengeance.
>
> > I don't think we'll lose by this.
>
> Your opinion, to which you are entitled.  I don't think it's based on
> anything substantial, but even if it is, why should you take upon
> yourself to decide for others whether they will hear something new and
> useful, and might lose by not hearing that?  IME, one can usually take
> something useful out of hearing a smart person, even if one disagrees
> with some of his views.
>
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From w1 at zak.co.il  Wed May 18 21:02:30 2022
From: w1 at zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 21:02:30 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
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On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 20:36 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> If you distinguish between his views and deeds, you don't know RMS.
> This is the man who never uses a smartphone, or a Web browser with
> JavaScript support, because that could cause him to use non-Free
> software.  His views and his deeds are inseparable: he acts on his
> views immediately and without any compromises.  Thus, if some of his
> views are incorrect or silly, so will be the deeds.  I don't always
> agree with his radical approach to these matters, but I admire his
> ability to live 110% according to his principles; you won't find many
> people capable of that.

It only makes his decision, to boycott Israeli institutions not
approved by the Palestinian, worse. Much worse.

> > I don't think we'll lose by this.
> 
> Your opinion, to which you are entitled.  I don't think it's based on
> anything substantial, but even if it is, why should you take upon
> yourself to decide for others whether they will hear something new
> and
> useful, and might lose by not hearing that?  IME, one can usually
> take
> something useful out of hearing a smart person, even if one disagrees
> with some of his views.

Personally, I am not affiliated with TAU or HUJI and cannot organize a
venue for him. I can only urge people in those institutions not to
cooperate with the BDS supporter. You are free to encourage those
people to cooperate with him.

I base my opinion about novelty of RMS's opinions upon the lack of
anything substantially new from him (except for scandals) during the
last few years. I cannot recall anything really new he created or led
since the GPLv3 effort.

Other people now maintain Emacs. Other people maintain GCC. Other
people work on GNU/Hurd.


-- 
Any legal limit to self defense means that there is no right for self
defense at all.  This is because the aggressors would exploit those
legal limits to render their victims totally defenseless.
My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/

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From eliz at gnu.org  Wed May 18 21:11:48 2022
From: eliz at gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 21:11:48 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
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Message-ID: <83h75memmz.fsf@gnu.org>

> From: Anton Amirian <extuessl at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:56:25 +0300
> Cc: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>, linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> 
> Honestly I'm kinda shocked that some people are more mad at him for not liking israeli treatment of
> palestinians than the whole pedophilia thing

There's no pedophilia thing.  There's a hostile campaign initiated by
people with an agenda and unclean conscience, and propagated by people
who cannot be bothered to read the original emails and posts and make
up their own minds.


From extuessl at gmail.com  Wed May 18 21:23:54 2022
From: extuessl at gmail.com (Anton Amirian)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 21:23:54 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <83h75memmz.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
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This is a literal quote from RMS
>I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't
voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the
idea that their little baby is maturing

If you want to believe that it's all a slander invented by some mean people
who don't like poor RMS then sure whatever makes you sleep better at night
I don't really care

Was just shocked that what people have problem with is his stance on the
palestinian/israeli conflict and not this

real gamer moment, good job

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:12 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz at gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Anton Amirian <extuessl at gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:56:25 +0300
> > Cc: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>, linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> >
> > Honestly I'm kinda shocked that some people are more mad at him for not
> liking israeli treatment of
> > palestinians than the whole pedophilia thing
>
> There's no pedophilia thing.  There's a hostile campaign initiated by
> people with an agenda and unclean conscience, and propagated by people
> who cannot be bothered to read the original emails and posts and make
> up their own minds.
>
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From eliz at gnu.org  Wed May 18 21:35:26 2022
From: eliz at gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 21:35:26 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <CADrknp99KHAhcBoyNp5N9gsRF38L5SvfmKage2Q1Cbymf6FJRw@mail.gmail.com>
 (message from Anton Amirian on Wed, 18 May 2022 21:23:54 +0300)
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
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> From: Anton Amirian <extuessl at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 21:23:54 +0300
> Cc: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>, linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> 
> This is a literal quote from RMS
> >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm
> seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by
> the idea that their little baby is maturing

So?  Those are words of a skeptic, who questions the validity of
someone else's arguments, because the basis of those arguments seems
to him to be shaky.  He didn't even say what his opinions were, just
that he was "skeptical".  Since when do we condemn people who question
views of others?  And it's also taken out of context: you should read
the whole text, not just 2 sentences from its middle.  Needless to
say, there are no deeds here.  Pedophilia is deeds, not skepticism
about opinions of others.


From julianlx at gmail.com  Wed May 18 21:50:09 2022
From: julianlx at gmail.com (Julian Daich)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:50:09 +0200
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALPP6bT0E6McQ9gQHFpbGH8Ym8y_4XZqM2B2HXkTU09hwW8V9Q@mail.gmail.com>

El mi?, 18 may 2022 a las 17:35, Omer Zak (<w1 at zak.co.il>) escribi?:
>
> Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
> surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
> effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
> so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
> Israel and Palestine?

Hi,

The fact that RMS gave presentations at Israel universities in the
past and that he is returning to do so is an evidence that he is not
involved in a boycott against Israel despite constraints from one
specific trip.

Best,

Julian
>
> On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 17:43 +0300, Julian Daich wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a
> > place to give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or
> > June 1st. Is there here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to
> > organize it? He will no chsrge for his talk.
> >
> > Please, contact me in private.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julian
> --
> Any legal limit to self defense means that there is no right for self
> defense at all.  This is because the aggressors would exploit those
> legal limits to render their victims totally defenseless.
> My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/
>
> My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone.
> They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which
> I may be affiliated in any way.
> WARNING TO SPAMMERS:  at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html
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-- 
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From julianlx at gmail.com  Wed May 18 21:52:33 2022
From: julianlx at gmail.com (Julian Daich)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:52:33 +0200
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <CADrknp99KHAhcBoyNp5N9gsRF38L5SvfmKage2Q1Cbymf6FJRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
 <83wneieszt.fsf@gnu.org>
 <43e773d3f5d814de2a02605ca4465e34d434fce0.camel@zak.co.il>
 <83k0aieo9w.fsf@gnu.org>
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Message-ID: <CALPP6bQozbFoeJYPuSum3mKAmEX36FHKpPSypKJ-hyX0MEX+sA@mail.gmail.com>

El mi?, 18 may 2022 a las 20:25, Anton Amirian (<extuessl at gmail.com>) escribi?:
>
> This is a literal quote from RMS
> >I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing
>

Hi,

You can read RMS words
https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong)

Best,

Julian

> If you want to believe that it's all a slander invented by some mean people who don't like poor RMS then sure whatever makes you sleep better at night
> I don't really care
>
> Was just shocked that what people have problem with is his stance on the palestinian/israeli conflict and not this
>
> real gamer moment, good job
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:12 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz at gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Anton Amirian <extuessl at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 20:56:25 +0300
>> > Cc: Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>, linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> >
>> > Honestly I'm kinda shocked that some people are more mad at him for not liking israeli treatment of
>> > palestinians than the whole pedophilia thing
>>
>> There's no pedophilia thing.  There's a hostile campaign initiated by
>> people with an agenda and unclean conscience, and propagated by people
>> who cannot be bothered to read the original emails and posts and make
>> up their own minds.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il



-- 
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From borissh1983 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 22:28:50 2022
From: borissh1983 at gmail.com (borissh1983 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 22:28:50 +0300
Subject: Venue for RMS
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3434785.LNpmzTPaW5@beast>

Hi Julian.

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:43:47 IDT Julian Daich wrote:
> Hi,
>RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a place to
>give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or June 1st. Is there
>here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to organize it? He will no
>chsrge for his talk.

Given RMS's actions in recent years,  I would have checked  with  someone who is familiar with the local law, if having direct connection, or assisting  RMS is not a liability or against the law.

IANAL.




From yeh at uda.co.il  Wed May 18 22:42:21 2022
From: yeh at uda.co.il (Yehuda Deutsch)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:42:21 -0400
Subject: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <3434785.LNpmzTPaW5@beast>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <3434785.LNpmzTPaW5@beast>
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Sorry, but what?

1. Let's not involve national politics into this, if someone wants to
invite him that is up to them and good for them. Personally, while I like
his vision, I can't stand absolutism, it is toxic
2. IANAL either, but if the authorities haven't banned him from entering
then there is no restriction on inviting him to speak (even if they would
ban him, there is no law banning someone from giving a lecture)

Yehuda

On Wed, May 18, 2022, 15:31 <borissh1983 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Julian.
>
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:43:47 IDT Julian Daich wrote:
> > Hi,
> >RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a place to
> >give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or June 1st. Is
> there
> >here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to organize it? He will no
> >chsrge for his talk.
>
> Given RMS's actions in recent years,  I would have checked  with  someone
> who is familiar with the local law, if having direct connection, or
> assisting  RMS is not a liability or against the law.
>
> IANAL.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed May 18 23:38:42 2022
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:38:42 -0400
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <CADrknp-wer4BdjXKydNWqYvFZTj5RAv1Em8anCVVY6OATiezuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
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Anton Amirian said on Wed, 18 May 2022 20:56:25 +0300

>Honestly I'm kinda shocked that some people are more mad at him for not
>liking israeli treatment of palestinians than the whole pedophilia
>thing
>
>what the hell, assess your values
>
>jeez

I'll give you six million reasons why I'm more pissed at his moves to
hurt the one country I can go to if the nazis take over America. How
would you feel about his moves against Israel if you were currently a
Ukrainian Jew and needed a safe place for your wife and children?

And by the way, as far as I know his "pedophilia thing" was saying the
pedophile "wasn't all bad".

And I'll say the same thing about RMS, he's not all bad. I'm eternally
grateful to him for the GPL and the GNU utilities, and at the same time
I think he has no right to expect help from Israelis, given the
situation.

And I think this is anything but offtopic given that somebody on an
Israeli LUG list asked for help for a known Israel boycotter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/hmrre/richard_stallman_cancels_his_speeches_at_israeli/

By the way, Stallman says he's against BDS, but he's for some kind of
boycott on things made in, as he phrases it, "Israel's colonies in
Palestinian Territories".

https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html

SteveT

Steve Litt 
Spring 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition
http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm


From shlomif at gmail.com  Thu May 19 10:25:53 2022
From: shlomif at gmail.com (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 10:25:53 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANy4znX0otKfTx0-rfeacAVKrY96PkxdPBEurpmgqM1HSOi_oA@mail.gmail.com>

hi Omer!

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 6:35 PM Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:
>
> Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
> surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
> effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
> so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
> Israel and Palestine?
>
> If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.
>

i suggest we "let bygones be bygones":
http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Saladin_Style/

RMS is noble and a great man -
https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/all_people_are_good.xhtml


>
> On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 17:43 +0300, Julian Daich wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a
> > place to give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or
> > June 1st. Is there here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to
> > organize it? He will no chsrge for his talk.
> >
> > Please, contact me in private.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julian
> --
> Any legal limit to self defense means that there is no right for self
> defense at all.  This is because the aggressors would exploit those
> legal limits to render their victims totally defenseless.
> My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/
>
> My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone.
> They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which
> I may be affiliated in any way.
> WARNING TO SPAMMERS:  at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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on himself, won, and collected the bet money.

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From shachar at shemesh.biz  Sun May 22 17:33:01 2022
From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 17:33:01 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
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From marcvolovic at me.com  Sun May 22 17:34:35 2022
From: marcvolovic at me.com (Marc Volovic)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 17:34:35 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
Message-ID: <96c574cd-6037-4b92-b5ae-7220645ec921@Spark>

On Mac - keynote.
On linux, PDF full screen

?mav
e: <marcvolovic at me.com>
On 22 May 2022, 17:33 +0300, Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>, wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
> _______________________________________________
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From mark.e.fuller at gmail.com  Sun May 22 17:36:21 2022
From: mark.e.fuller at gmail.com (Mark E. Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 14:36:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
Message-ID: <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>


22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>:

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
> 
I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
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From marcvolovic at me.com  Sun May 22 17:37:45 2022
From: marcvolovic at me.com (Marc Volovic)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 17:37:45 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
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But that course is only open to REAL servers who like to use LaTeX...

Is this ?Pulp Fiction??

?mav
e: <marcvolovic at me.com>
On 22 May 2022, 17:36 +0300, Mark E. Fuller <mark.e.fuller at gmail.com>, wrote:
>
> 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
> I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
> See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun May 22 17:38:53 2022
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 18:38:53 +0400
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
 <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASG3zLxEAUX-=CoUSugGuMwJ04NcMY_KC+5R-Gy9YKV1PoGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I do all my presentations in markdown and show them directly from
Github  (github.com/michaelshiloh)

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:36 PM Mark E. Fuller <mark.e.fuller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>
> I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
> See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il


From eli at netmask.it  Sun May 22 17:58:47 2022
From: eli at netmask.it (Eli Marmor)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 17:58:47 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <CAGASG3zLxEAUX-=CoUSugGuMwJ04NcMY_KC+5R-Gy9YKV1PoGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
 <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>
 <CAGASG3zLxEAUX-=CoUSugGuMwJ04NcMY_KC+5R-Gy9YKV1PoGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHHrWDOa6gQYOPgr-+1MUWfSmRMqw_ocZVqqbk1s5sju4ABC+w@mail.gmail.com>

By the way, since yesterday, Github Markdown supports LaTeX.

On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 17:39, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I do all my presentations in markdown and show them directly from
> Github  (github.com/michaelshiloh)
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:36 PM Mark E. Fuller <mark.e.fuller at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
> >
> > I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
> > See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-il mailing list
> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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From mark.e.fuller at gmail.com  Sun May 22 18:37:50 2022
From: mark.e.fuller at gmail.com (Mark E. Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 15:37:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <CAHHrWDOa6gQYOPgr-+1MUWfSmRMqw_ocZVqqbk1s5sju4ABC+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
 <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>
 <CAGASG3zLxEAUX-=CoUSugGuMwJ04NcMY_KC+5R-Gy9YKV1PoGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHHrWDOa6gQYOPgr-+1MUWfSmRMqw_ocZVqqbk1s5sju4ABC+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e24b737-0c20-4222-9735-44f8a20f256a@gmail.com>


22 May 2022 17:58:58 Eli Marmor <eli at netmask.it>:

> By the way, since yesterday, Github Markdown supports LaTeX.
> 
> On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 17:39, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I do all my presentations in markdown and show them directly from
>> Github? (github.com/michaelshiloh[http://github.com/michaelshiloh])
>> 
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:36 PM Mark E. Fuller <mark.e.fuller at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>>>
>>> I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
>>> See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
It looks like GH markdown supports MathJax, so LaTeX-formatted formulae: https://analyticsindiamag.com/github-now-supports-mathematical-expressions-on-markdown/

This is a very nice feature, which is new to me, but it is by no means "support for LaTeX"
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun May 22 20:12:09 2022
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 21:12:09 +0400
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <2e24b737-0c20-4222-9735-44f8a20f256a@gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
 <5d1ff0e1-3dec-45c3-a388-1b91792b426e@gmail.com>
 <CAGASG3zLxEAUX-=CoUSugGuMwJ04NcMY_KC+5R-Gy9YKV1PoGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHHrWDOa6gQYOPgr-+1MUWfSmRMqw_ocZVqqbk1s5sju4ABC+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <2e24b737-0c20-4222-9735-44f8a20f256a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASG3zpX=p1X0H08Gg3MhjLzDbur7VdMmJi78DXmOs49WZxDg@mail.gmail.com>

Either way, that's super helpful! Thanks for bringing it to my attention

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 7:37 PM Mark E. Fuller <mark.e.fuller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 22 May 2022 17:58:58 Eli Marmor <eli at netmask.it>:
>
> By the way, since yesterday, Github Markdown supports LaTeX.
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 17:39, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I do all my presentations in markdown and show them directly from
>> Github  (github.com/michaelshiloh)
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:36 PM Mark E. Fuller <mark.e.fuller at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> > I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>> >
>> > I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
>> > See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Linux-il mailing list
>> > Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
> It looks like GH markdown supports MathJax, so LaTeX-formatted formulae: https://analyticsindiamag.com/github-now-supports-mathematical-expressions-on-markdown/
>
> This is a very nice feature, which is new to me, but it is by no means "support for LaTeX"


From mkriheli at gmail.com  Sun May 22 22:52:38 2022
From: mkriheli at gmail.com (Meir Kriheli)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 22:52:38 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
Message-ID: <CANDudSfMG8BHFmEpXThL1pHn1M-rSmP8OUtg-_DcO9W+_TpsMA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using  reveal js

https://revealjs.com/

Cheers

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 5:33 PM Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>


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From eli at netmask.it  Sun May 22 23:32:04 2022
From: eli at netmask.it (Eli Marmor)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 23:32:04 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <CANDudSfMG8BHFmEpXThL1pHn1M-rSmP8OUtg-_DcO9W+_TpsMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
 <CANDudSfMG8BHFmEpXThL1pHn1M-rSmP8OUtg-_DcO9W+_TpsMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHHrWDMsqYriU3xsGnjEtKZ=H2K5c_bg7m4C2-ROWO24HPVV3w@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, reveal.js has all of the 3 winning points for us:

1. Open-Source
2. Standard format (HTML5)
3. Can be run from anywhere, by any web browser, under any device and OS.

On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 22:53, Meir Kriheli <mkriheli at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm using  reveal js
>
> https://revealjs.com/
>
> Cheers
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 5:33 PM Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>>
>
>
> --
> Meir Kriheli
> http://meirkriheli.com
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From mark.e.fuller at gmail.com  Sun May 22 23:34:45 2022
From: mark.e.fuller at gmail.com (Mark E. Fuller)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 20:34:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <CAHHrWDMsqYriU3xsGnjEtKZ=H2K5c_bg7m4C2-ROWO24HPVV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
 <CANDudSfMG8BHFmEpXThL1pHn1M-rSmP8OUtg-_DcO9W+_TpsMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHHrWDMsqYriU3xsGnjEtKZ=H2K5c_bg7m4C2-ROWO24HPVV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <442eb64b-ae8b-4aa6-8446-77dbb76cb212@gmail.com>


22 May 2022 23:32:47 Eli Marmor <eli at netmask.it>:

> I agree, reveal.js has all of the 3 winning points for us:
> 
> 1. Open-Source
> 2. Standard format (HTML5)
> 3. Can be run from anywhere, by any web browser, under any device and OS.
> 
> On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 22:53, Meir Kriheli <mkriheli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm using? reveal js
>> 
>> https://revealjs.com/
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 5:33 PM Shachar Shemesh <shachar at shemesh.biz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-il mailing list
>>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Meir Kriheli
>> http://meirkriheli.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-il mailing list
>> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Thanks for the pointer - I will definitely look at reveal.js for my next presentation as well
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From efraim at flashner.co.il  Mon May 23 10:02:43 2022
From: efraim at flashner.co.il (Efraim Flashner)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 10:02:43 +0300
Subject: Good presentation tool
In-Reply-To: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
References: <b8361722-31de-0ff5-43be-074f8be32ee3@shemesh.biz>
Message-ID: <Yosxk3SpF9pdHuFU@pbp>

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 05:33:01PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>    Hi all,
> 
>    I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?

I'm not sure it fits the definition of "good" but I use presentty.
https://pypi.org/project/presentty/

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From maayan.eshed at gmail.com  Wed May 25 19:29:00 2022
From: maayan.eshed at gmail.com (Maayan Eshed)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 19:29:00 +0300
Subject: (BDS OFFTOPIC) Re: Venue for RMS
In-Reply-To: <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
References: <CALPP6bSuA9XV-P8jmsjCQ3hSLWedqJ6M_4=ZmuAHdeNkcAjc2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ddbf5230cec5a69858a7674ce9f657999a13214.camel@zak.co.il>
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excuse the delay, im off grid most of the time but the letters RMS caught
my eye
my two cents:
cent 1:
======
 its not what YOU think about him - its about what HE thinks about you:
 If I were RMS's host i would go to the hosting uni's academic diplomacy
dept or an institute like INSS and or some private nonprofits or people
that give informative tours and overviews --- tell them who your guest is
and request a tour. I'd be surprised if you haven't gotten it for free as
in beer with maybe an invite to other panels. (I assume that has happened
already)

cent 2:
======
cent 1 is definately NOT a waste of time with this dude, please forgive my
urge to have this pasted and not linked to:

quote {
14 September 2019 (Sex between an adult and a child is wrong
<https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong)>)


Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex
between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it.

Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand
how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind
about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the
conversations that enabled me to understand why. "

} end quote



Regards -

Ma'ayan





On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 6:35 PM Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:

> Is he the same RMS who boycotted Israeli universities at 2011 happily
> surrendering to demands of Palestinians - without even making a token
> effort to ask if Israelis are willing to take over his trip's finances
> so that Palestinians won't have to pay for his non-boycotting trip to
> Israel and Palestine?
>
> If yes, I urge the TAU and HUJI people not to help him.
>
>
> On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 17:43 +0300, Julian Daich wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > RMS is coming to Tel Aviv. I am receving him. He is looking for a
> > place to give  a prentation in a mayor university on Msy 31 st or
> > June 1st. Is there here somebody from TAU or HUJI that can help to
> > organize it? He will no chsrge for his talk.
> >
> > Please, contact me in private.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julian
> --
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> defense at all.  This is because the aggressors would exploit those
> legal limits to render their victims totally defenseless.
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