From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Apr  6 01:20:14 2023
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 18:20:14 -0400
Subject: Lightweight computing discussion tonight, 4/5/2023
Message-ID: <20230405182014.58db2acd@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Hi all,

Sorry for the late notice. Tonight at 7:00 Eastern Daylight time,
4/5/2023, GoLUG is having an online meeting where we'll discuss
lightweight computing. The meeting location is
https://meet.jit.si/golug . This meeting is online only.

Anyone with any lightweight computing practices is welcome to talk
about those practices. I plan on showcasing Openbox, dmenu and perhaps
UMENU. Although I don't plan to, I'm also qualified to speak on IceWM,
LXDE and ctwm. I'm hoping David Billsbrough will speak on WindowMaker.

We REALLY need people to speak on lightweight browsers, because much of
today's bloat is because of browsers. It would also be wonderful to
have some short presentations on some tiling window managers.

In preparation for the meeting, please see the following very short list
of window managers and desktop environments (WMDEs) sorted by RAM usage:

https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png

If you want a deeper dive, see
http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm .

I hope to see you at the meeting.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
Publicity Coordinator
Greater Orlando Linux User Group (GOLUG)


From lionel at mamane.lu  Sat Apr 15 10:10:10 2023
From: lionel at mamane.lu (Lionel =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9lie?= Mamane)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 09:10:10 +0200
Subject: ISP recommendation in Israel - geek-friendly & IPv6
Message-ID: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>

Hi,

What would you recommend as a geek-friendly ISP for a "consumer price
level" glass fiber-based Internet connection in Israel, in Qesarya
specifically? I'd like to have dual stack IPv4 + IPv6, with one fixed
IPv4 address and a fixed IPv6 prefix (whatever it is one gets as
standard... a /48, a /56...). Not sure if I can hope for competent
customer support in English, but if that exists, even better.

My family currently has Bezeq with a fixed IPv4 in our "2nd home /
vacation home", that was setup by a local guy that knows a guy that
knows a guy that knows my mother, without my intervention, supposed to
be a "surprise we got fast Internet now, you can now spend more time
in Israel and work remotely" for me, and well... I'd like us to
upgrade to something better. The guy tells me that if we activate IPv6
on our Bezeq connection, we will not only loose the fixed IPv4
address, but also be behind double (carrier-grade, I assume) NAT,
which would be major suckage. Is that true? Anyone has experience with
that?

Is it realistic to hope significantly less than 100ms ping times to
Western Europe from Israel? That's what I currently get, and in usage
as "remote desktop" / VNC / ssh sessions (with graphical / X11
programs running over the link), this kind of lag is really felt...

Thanks in advance,

Lionel


From uri at speedy.net  Sat Apr 15 16:58:00 2023
From: uri at speedy.net (=?UTF-8?B?15DXldeo15k=?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:58:00 +0300
Subject: ISP recommendation in Israel - geek-friendly & IPv6
In-Reply-To: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
References: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
Message-ID: <CABD5YeEEj5pmSETDnNqZL7L03PMSBZoDTf=AEXo7Lce9C3GB3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lionel,

I don't know about all the technical issues but I'm satisfied with Triple
C. And I don't use Bezeq's fibers although it's possible. If you're
interested in speed (ping/download/upload) to Europe, check in speedtest.net
and you can write to me offlist to compare times.

Thanks, Uri.
????
uri at speedy.net


On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:10?AM Lionel ?lie Mamane <lionel at mamane.lu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What would you recommend as a geek-friendly ISP for a "consumer price
> level" glass fiber-based Internet connection in Israel, in Qesarya
> specifically? I'd like to have dual stack IPv4 + IPv6, with one fixed
> IPv4 address and a fixed IPv6 prefix (whatever it is one gets as
> standard... a /48, a /56...). Not sure if I can hope for competent
> customer support in English, but if that exists, even better.
>
> My family currently has Bezeq with a fixed IPv4 in our "2nd home /
> vacation home", that was setup by a local guy that knows a guy that
> knows a guy that knows my mother, without my intervention, supposed to
> be a "surprise we got fast Internet now, you can now spend more time
> in Israel and work remotely" for me, and well... I'd like us to
> upgrade to something better. The guy tells me that if we activate IPv6
> on our Bezeq connection, we will not only loose the fixed IPv4
> address, but also be behind double (carrier-grade, I assume) NAT,
> which would be major suckage. Is that true? Anyone has experience with
> that?
>
> Is it realistic to hope significantly less than 100ms ping times to
> Western Europe from Israel? That's what I currently get, and in usage
> as "remote desktop" / VNC / ssh sessions (with graphical / X11
> programs running over the link), this kind of lag is really felt...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lionel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
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From govershay at gmail.com  Sat Apr 15 17:07:37 2023
From: govershay at gmail.com (Shay Gover)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 17:07:37 +0300
Subject: ISP recommendation in Israel - geek-friendly & IPv6
In-Reply-To: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
References: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
Message-ID: <CANM5d8cYM31kBsizu1LT+5SxfGT_MJ43AUtVbW7wo2Td9UHA7A@mail.gmail.com>

I have Partner fiber.
Note that fiber ISP is area dependent. You'll have to check availability in
your area.
ISP with fiber (That I know of. There are also virtual ISPs): Bezeq,
Partner, Unlimited, Cellcom and Hot. Don't use Hot. Bad customer service.
No idea about static IP. As per Ministry of Communications regulations all
ISPs must offer IPv6.
With Partner I get ~70ms to western Europe.



On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:10?AM Lionel ?lie Mamane <lionel at mamane.lu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What would you recommend as a geek-friendly ISP for a "consumer price
> level" glass fiber-based Internet connection in Israel, in Qesarya
> specifically? I'd like to have dual stack IPv4 + IPv6, with one fixed
> IPv4 address and a fixed IPv6 prefix (whatever it is one gets as
> standard... a /48, a /56...). Not sure if I can hope for competent
> customer support in English, but if that exists, even better.
>
> My family currently has Bezeq with a fixed IPv4 in our "2nd home /
> vacation home", that was setup by a local guy that knows a guy that
> knows a guy that knows my mother, without my intervention, supposed to
> be a "surprise we got fast Internet now, you can now spend more time
> in Israel and work remotely" for me, and well... I'd like us to
> upgrade to something better. The guy tells me that if we activate IPv6
> on our Bezeq connection, we will not only loose the fixed IPv4
> address, but also be behind double (carrier-grade, I assume) NAT,
> which would be major suckage. Is that true? Anyone has experience with
> that?
>
> Is it realistic to hope significantly less than 100ms ping times to
> Western Europe from Israel? That's what I currently get, and in usage
> as "remote desktop" / VNC / ssh sessions (with graphical / X11
> programs running over the link), this kind of lag is really felt...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lionel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
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From erez0001 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 16 09:07:10 2023
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 09:07:10 +0300
Subject: ISP recommendation in Israel - geek-friendly & IPv6
In-Reply-To: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
References: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
Message-ID: <CAMUp3wkPxXysYv5092Qhv3S+9EQWi4-vMBvZBA8-4J+WCJQVOw@mail.gmail.com>

You look for a Fixed ipv4 IP, Note that some ISPs do not give you even a
real IP but you are already behind NAT and can't even use Dynamic DNS.

With HOT they gave me a non-real IP and I needed to persuade them to change
it to a real one (I do not need a real one as I am using DynDNS)

At the end they gave me a real IP with no extra cost

Erez.

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:10?AM Lionel ?lie Mamane <lionel at mamane.lu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What would you recommend as a geek-friendly ISP for a "consumer price
> level" glass fiber-based Internet connection in Israel, in Qesarya
> specifically? I'd like to have dual stack IPv4 + IPv6, with one fixed
> IPv4 address and a fixed IPv6 prefix (whatever it is one gets as
> standard... a /48, a /56...). Not sure if I can hope for competent
> customer support in English, but if that exists, even better.
>
> My family currently has Bezeq with a fixed IPv4 in our "2nd home /
> vacation home", that was setup by a local guy that knows a guy that
> knows a guy that knows my mother, without my intervention, supposed to
> be a "surprise we got fast Internet now, you can now spend more time
> in Israel and work remotely" for me, and well... I'd like us to
> upgrade to something better. The guy tells me that if we activate IPv6
> on our Bezeq connection, we will not only loose the fixed IPv4
> address, but also be behind double (carrier-grade, I assume) NAT,
> which would be major suckage. Is that true? Anyone has experience with
> that?
>
> Is it realistic to hope significantly less than 100ms ping times to
> Western Europe from Israel? That's what I currently get, and in usage
> as "remote desktop" / VNC / ssh sessions (with graphical / X11
> programs running over the link), this kind of lag is really felt...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lionel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-il mailing list
> Linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il
> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
>
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From borissh1983 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 16 14:46:42 2023
From: borissh1983 at gmail.com (borissh1983 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:46:42 +0300
Subject: ISP recommendation in Israel - geek-friendly & IPv6
References: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
 <CAMUp3wkPxXysYv5092Qhv3S+9EQWi4-vMBvZBA8-4J+WCJQVOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2170258.HoZrVxxa9q@beast>

On Sunday, 16 April 2023 9:07:10 IDT Erez D wrote:
> You look for a Fixed ipv4 IP, Note that some ISPs do not give you even a
> real IP but you are already behind NAT and can't even use Dynamic DNS.
> 

Carrier grade NAT or something else ? 






From erez0001 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 16 15:20:57 2023
From: erez0001 at gmail.com (Erez D)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:20:57 +0300
Subject: ISP recommendation in Israel - geek-friendly & IPv6
In-Reply-To: <2170258.HoZrVxxa9q@beast>
References: <ZDpN0vNLq3csNVqN@piperine.mamane.lu>
 <CAMUp3wkPxXysYv5092Qhv3S+9EQWi4-vMBvZBA8-4J+WCJQVOw@mail.gmail.com>
 <2170258.HoZrVxxa9q@beast>
Message-ID: <CAMUp3wmFhazH+9Xy5kDtisRQyb98RWjBq4=F2UeTSH-1vfb_iQ@mail.gmail.com>

I do not know, I only know to begin with my external ip was a private one
(if I remember correctly it was 172.x.x.x)

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 2:50?PM <borissh1983 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 16 April 2023 9:07:10 IDT Erez D wrote:
> > You look for a Fixed ipv4 IP, Note that some ISPs do not give you even a
> > real IP but you are already behind NAT and can't even use Dynamic DNS.
> >
>
> Carrier grade NAT or something else ?
>
>
>
>
>
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