Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

[Stan Goodman]

On 07/17/2011 08:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote:
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> From: *Mordecha Behar* <mordecha.behar at mail.huji.ac.il 
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> Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
> To: Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il <mailto:tzafrir at cohens.org.il>>
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> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il 
> <mailto:tzafrir at cohens.org.il>> wrote:
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>     Written off-list,
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>     On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:26:39PM +0300, Mordecha Behar wrote:
>     > 2011/7/17 Dima (Dan) Yasny <dyasny at gmail.com
>     <mailto:dyasny at gmail.com>>
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>     > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman
>     <orr.dunkelman at gmail.com <mailto:orr.dunkelman at gmail.com>>wrote:
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>     > >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh
>     > >> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>> >> To be more general, it is
>     unheard of
>     > >> for a prospective guest to set
>     > >> >> political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other
>     aspects, the man
>     > >> >> is a boor, and should have been ignored.
>     > >> >
>     > >> >
>     > >> > I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other
>     performers used
>     > >> their
>     > >> > platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with
>     particular
>     > >> > political positions for ages?
>     > >> >
>     > >> > Michael
>     > >>
>     > >> It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work.
>     > >> Actually, this is true for most exact sciences.
>     > >>
>     > >> As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just
>     > >> agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving
>     away his
>     > >> freedom of speech.
>     > >> Tz'e Wolmad...
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     > > /me don't see what the argument is about. I'll simply vote
>     against RMS's
>     > > and his politically inclined friends bs with my feet by _not_
>     going. End of
>     > > story
>     > >
>     > >
>     > Yes, there is that.
>     > But thanks to the law passed last week we can also take
>     affirmative action.
>     > I don't think that suing RMS or the FSF will be a good idea, or even
>     > feasible (IANAL and I'm pretty sure that this law doesn't hold for
>     > people/groups from abroad) but we might be able to sue the group
>     financing
>     > his trip.
>     > Again, I'm not sure that that's even a good idea. But it is
>     possible.
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>     While I find RMS's actions silly and damaging, I will take no part in
>     such an action. I might even consider donating that group some
>     money to
>     cover their expences in case you actually go through with your
>     actions.
>
>     I'm for free speach here.
>
>     Now, count to 10, relax a bit, read things through, and don't
>     follow up
>     on a flame fest.
>

Nobody has challenged his right to free speech. Speech is not the issue. 
Personally, I would not be offended if he where to visit each of the 
major cities and get up on a soapbox at main intersections to express 
his views. What he is trying to do is to inflict his opinions of a 
conflict of which he can't know very much, on an entire organization, 
and to extract the agreement of that public to the rectitude of his 
views -- although they may well have views that are quite different. 
That is what makes him a boor, ya'ani, Am haAretz, and offensive.

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> Hey, I'm not saying we *should* sue, I'm just saying it's an option. 
> And not a good one.
> We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open 
> software, and probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to 
> rebuild.
> I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. 
> It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet.
> I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like 
> this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this.
>
>     Oh, and: GetTheFacts: http://stallmanfacts.com/ .
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>     Cheers,
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