[RBS] CORRECTIONS/CLARIFICATIONS - Avoiding Police Intimidation #2

[Aryeh Sonnenberg]

Gideon Yavin, a volunteer with the local police (AND A MENTSCH) wrote to me, off-line, with the following corrections/comments.

My comments appear in ALL CAPS underneath his.

Gary Swickley sent me a great video that sums up the whole topic, so be sure to see this, and you'll understand 100% what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzIKXC7QAdg


From: Gideon Yavin [mailto:gideonyavin at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 1:25 AM
To: aryehsonnenberg at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [BS/RBS list] Avoiding Police Intimidation #2

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1.  Even as a volunteer with the Police I have the right to forcibly enter a property if I have good grounds to believe that there is a crime in progress that may result is loss of life or injury.

100%. I WAS NOT CLEAR. MY COMMENTS ARE REFERRING TO SITUATIONS SUCH AS INSPECTORS WANTING TO MEASURE YOUR HOME FOR ARNONA, COMING TO SEARCH FOR A NON-LICENSED BUSINESS, COMING TO SEARCH FOR SOMEONE WHO DID NOT GO TO COURT WHEN THEY WERE SUMMONED.

2.  The Pakachim or Police often approach a person because a complaint has been launched against him.  If the person co-operates with the preliminary investigation, the Police will often write off the complaint as unwarranted.  If the accused follows your advice, the Police will be forced to file for a full investigation which will often result in much more waste of everybody's time.

100%. SEE THE ABOVE ANSWER.

3.  A person that comes to trail may have additional charges of obstructing the cause of justice if it is shown that he was breaking the law and was uncooperative with the Police.

100%. IF THE POLICE HAVE A SIGNED WARRANT, THEN WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS "JUST." MY COMMENTS REFER TO WHEN THEY KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR AND ASK TO COME IN OR SPEAK TO YOU WITHOUT A WARRANT; WHEN SOMEONE KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR FROM THE IRIYA, ETC. EVEN A POLICEMAN HAS NO RIGHT TO ENTER YOUR HOUSE WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE OR A SIGNED SEARCH/ARREST WARRANT.

4.  The Police are extremely busy.  I don't know why they would waste time "intimidating" people unless they have good grounds to believe that they committed a crime.  In my one year of volunteering I have not come across any unnecessary Police action.

100%. I AM REFERRING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE PERSECUTED BY POLICE BECAUSE THEY ARE A NUISANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT/POLICE, SUCH AS RIGHT-WING ACTIVISTS (YES, I DO KNOW A FEW...). I AM REFERRING TO THE CLEARLY ILLEGAL WAY THAT POLICE USE EXCESSIVE FORCE TO THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE IDEOLOGICALLY. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN YOUR SERVICE IS NOT RELEVANT. YOU ARE NOT UNDERCOVER, AND I DON'T THINK YOU ARE AN INVESTIGATOR. I'VE BEEN THERE TO SEE MY FRIEND BEING BEATEN UP BY "BEIT SHEMESH'S FINEST" WHILE THEY WERE HANDCUFFED.

THE NORMAL CITIZEN DOESN'T NEED TO PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS UNTIL IT REACHES THE POINT WHERE EVEN HE STARTS BEING A NUISANCE...

Yours
Gideon Yavin





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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:02:04 +0300
From: "Aryeh Sonnenberg" <aryehsonnenberg at gmail.com>
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Subject: [BS/RBS list] Avoiding Police Intimidation #2
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I've recently heard a story about local police/pakachim taking advantage of
citizen's rights, and I feel a responsibility to assist you to protect
yourself from such.

Police are trained to intimidate people. For the most part, this is used on
people who truly deserve it, but not always.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, and this information should not be relied
upon as legal advice. I am NOT suggesting that one should break any laws
(not in this email anyway).

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Rule #2...

You DO NOT need to OPEN YOUR DOOR to every officer/pakach that asks you to
do so.

For example:

You are home, and an officer (or a city employee of any sort) knocks on your
door and asks to come in.

No officer has a legal right to come into your home without your permission
UNLESS they have a search warrant signed by a judge.

You do NOT NEED TO EVEN OPEN YOUR DOOR, but open it a little bit, and
then...

Demand that they a) show you their police ID and b) show you the warrant
BEFORE you allow them into your home.

They will ask to come in, even WITHOUT this warrant, as once you have let
them inside, it is very difficult to get them to leave.

Failure to do so could get you into a lot of unnecessary trouble.

They are likely to start speaking in a more threatening, intimidating
fashion, like "You are making this more difficult for yourself."

This can be particularly unpleasant if you do not speak Hebrew well.

You are making their job more difficult...they will not be happy. They like
open-and-shut cases.

Back where we came from, one automatically assumed that the police didn't
only enforce the law, they also abided by it. Don't assume that here (for
that matter, it's not necessarily true, there, either...).

Don't let them trample your rights.

Aryeh Sonnenberg
054-499-1733
"The Land is Very, Very Good"
There is life AFTER America!