Announce: Hspell 1.1

[Ely Levy]

I think it should be done in the following order:
- If hspell doesn't have it add for each word if it's a verb adjective and
so on.
- Grammatical analyzer - I saw a doc work that was released under GPL about
it long ago.
- Grammatical fixer (maybe better spelling suggestion based on grammar
- Independent of that we need a list of words and their nikud (I also saw
one in that doc work)
- Nikud checker
- Nakdan

Does anyone know where will be a good place to start getting word list with
nikud?
Or where is the doc work that made grammatical analyzer?

Ely
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Dan Kenigsberg <danken at cs.technion.ac.il>wrote:

> Who said anything about *few* rules? They are many, and are complex, and
> have
> gazillion of exceptions. But they exist, and putting them into effect in
> hspell's inflection scripts is doable, albeit requiring a lot of meticulous
> work. The classical references for niqqud are Luah HaShemot HaShalem and
> Luah
> HaP`alim HaShalem by Shaul Bakali. These tables include all the rules and
> all
> the exceptions needed to add the correct niqqud to Hebrew words.
>
> On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 02:02:21AM +0200, Ely Levy wrote:
> > I can only talk from my own experience, I couldn't find any good source
> for
> > rules about nikud and grammar in a simple form.
> > I did find some gpled work list with nikud, and I think I even talked to
> the
> > people in mila.
> > But no one could provide that few rules you are talking about.
> > (And I'm still confused about the difference between old and modern
> > grammar/nikud...)
> >
> > Ely
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Nadav Har'El <nyh at math.technion.ac.il
> >wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009, E L wrote about "Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1":
> > > > I think the main problem is what need to be done and not the man
> power to
> > > > program it.
> > > > If someone know of what are the rules grammar or nikud checkers
> should
> > > > follow I'm sure it won't be a big
> > > > deal programing one
> > >
> > > I beg to differ.
> > >
> > > First of all, most of the needed knowledge already exists, published in
> > > numerous papers and books, and demonstrated by several pieces of
> commercial
> > > software. One doesn't need to come with advanced knowledge of the
> topic,
> > > any more than I had to be some spell-checking expert before I started
> > > Hspell.
> > > All one needs is a willingness to learn, and of course the
> resourcefulness
> > > to put it into good use.
> > >
> > > Second, while the work on Hspell had a lot of very interesting
> theoretical
> > > sides and problems to solve (in linguistics, language, compression,
> etc.),
> > > most of the work was actually the mundane and almost endless task of
> making
> > > lists of words (a task which you can see, still isn't done 10 years
> after
> > > starting the project). For niqqud checking, there is also a lot of
> similar
> > > mundane work that needs to be done (writing the right niqqud for each
> > > word),
> > > and that takes a lot of time.
> > > For grammar checking, it depends what you call grammar: If you also
> want
> > > to include semantics, and not just grammar - like Prof. Uzzi Ornan did
> in
> > > his text-to-speech and niqqud research (and product) - there's also
> tons
> > > of work that needs to be done on creating classes of nouns, listing
> > > arguments
> > > of verbs, and so on. I guess you can start with just grammar, though,
> and
> > > in this case, you're right - it should be doable without too much data
> > > collection - so maybe this is indeed a good project to start with.
> > >
> > > This is all very interesting work. Unfortunately, I do not see myself
> > > starting it in the near future. If anyone is interested in taking a
> shot
> > > at it, I'd love to advise - please contact me and/or Dan privately.
> > >
> > > Nadav.
> > >
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