linux beivrit

[Elazar Leibovich]

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Micha <michf at post.tau.ac.il> wrote:

> On 05/07/2010 18:18, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
>
>>
>> [snipped]

>
>> Another option is to print it to PDF, but it's rather clumsy, because
>> the reviewer cannot edit directly your document.
>>
>>
> First of all, you should stop top posting. It's frown upon in linux mailing
> lists even more than giving microsoft documents to linux users.
>

I apologize, I wasn't aware to this fact.


> Second, I don't know what field you are in, but at least in applied
>  mathematics in Israel, I don't know anyone who knows what to do with a word
> document.
>

Well, in undergraduate math courses in the open University they accepted
homeworks as doc files. I sent it as PDF file, but then I wouldn't get any
inline comments (and actually thus almost no comments at all). Because good
free PDF-commenting tools are not available, or that the graders are not
willing to use such a tools.

WYSIWYG tools really shines for grading assignments. It's much easier to
include comments in such a tool, and MS Word is the de facto standard.

I agree that word is not ideal for mathematical notations (although in the
latest versions it's better than TeX in some aspects IMHO), and anyhow TeX
is the standard for papers and thesis. But it's still usable, and might be
better for some purposes. If I'll send to anyone in the open university a
short word document describing a proof - I know he'll be able to read it,
and to easily edit it.
If I'll send an ".odt" documents - I know for sure almost no one will be
able to read that.

I'll be surprised if in the Tel Aviv University many applied math professors
are not able to read MS Word documents.



> odt is still a problem of course, but personally I refuse to send or
> receive office documents from people in the university, and they manage to
> send PDFs for whatever formatted documents they want to send or text
> otherwise. Very few things actually need to be formatted as it turns out
> (and even when they are, unless it is PDF it usually arrives in the wrong
> format).
>
>
>  2010/7/5 Ori Idan <ori at helicontech.co.il <mailto:ori at helicontech.co.il>>
>>
>>
>>    So you decided to write in docx format and you expect people to
>>    review your work?
>>    I did not even looked at it because of the format.
>>    If you write it in OpenOffice even if it does not look the best,
>>    people may help you.
>>    The issue of how it looks can be fixed later.
>>    You may even work with simple text file to begin and later on
>>    transfer it to a good word processor to do the formatting.
>>
>>    --
>>    Ori Idan
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Raz <raziebe at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:raziebe at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>        Hey Nadav
>>        When i started i tried to work with open office in Hebrew, but i
>>        simply spent too much time
>>        trying to fix things, indentation, merging pictures and so on.
>>        also, how can ask for people to send me their comments ? I did
>>        not see
>>        track changes.
>>
>>
>>        On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Nadav Har'El
>>        <nyh at math.technion.ac.il <mailto:nyh at math.technion.ac.il>> wrote:
>>         > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010, Raz wrote about "Re: linux beivrit":
>>         >> > Open office would have been a much better choice (or lyx,
>>        or latex or a few
>>         >> > others)
>>         >> I tried open format. does not look good at all.
>>         >
>>         > Hi,
>>         >
>>         > A lot of things can be said against Open Office (although I
>>        personally
>>         > disagree with most of them), but I don't see how you can say
>>        its output
>>         > (I assume you don't mean its UI) doesn't look good. What
>>        didn't you like?
>>         > The fonts? The default style or layout? Or what?
>>         >
>>         > In my experience, you can create beautiful documents in Open
>>        Office, and it's
>>         > not harder to do so than with with Microsoft Office, so I
>>        wonder whater
>>         > problems you are referring to.
>>         >
>>         > Anyway, it's probably too late now for this document
>>        (converting formats
>>         > is a harder issue), but it's something to think about for
>>        your next
>>         > document :-)
>>         >
>>         > --
>>         > Nadav Har'El                        |      Monday, Jul  5
>>        2010, 23 Tammuz 5770
>>         > nyh at math.technion.ac.il <mailto:nyh at math.technion.ac.il>
>>
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>>        pours money.
>>         >
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