linux beivrit
Micha
michf at post.tau.ac.il
Tue Jul 6 01:12:22 IDT 2010
On 06/07/2010 00:15, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Micha <michf at post.tau.ac.il
> <mailto:michf at post.tau.ac.il>> wrote:
>
> On 05/07/2010 18:18, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
>
>
> [snipped]
>
>
> Another option is to print it to PDF, but it's rather clumsy,
> because
> the reviewer cannot edit directly your document.
>
>
> First of all, you should stop top posting. It's frown upon in linux
> mailing lists even more than giving microsoft documents to linux users.
>
> I apologize, I wasn't aware to this fact.
>
>
> Second, I don't know what field you are in, but at least in applied
> mathematics in Israel, I don't know anyone who knows what to do
> with a word document.
>
>
> Well, in undergraduate math courses in the open University they accepted
> homeworks as doc files. I sent it as PDF file, but then I wouldn't get
> any inline comments (and actually thus almost no comments at all).
> Because good free PDF-commenting tools are not available, or that the
> graders are not willing to use such a tools.
>
> WYSIWYG tools really shines for grading assignments. It's much easier to
> include comments in such a tool, and MS Word is the de facto standard.
>
Well, I tell my students not to bother sending me word documents as I can't read
them. They either scan them or learn a better notation.
However they send it though I send the answers back in pseudo latex notation and
they seem to be just fine with it.
> I agree that word is not ideal for mathematical notations (although in
> the latest versions it's better than TeX in some aspects IMHO), and
> anyhow TeX is the standard for papers and thesis. But it's still usable,
> and might be better for some purposes. If I'll send to anyone in the
> open university a short word document describing a proof - I know he'll
> be able to read it, and to easily edit it.
> If I'll send an ".odt" documents - I know for sure almost no one will be
> able to read that.
>
> I'll be surprised if in the Tel Aviv University many applied math
> professors are not able to read MS Word documents.
>
Quite a few moved to mac, several others are using linux. I know quite a few who
won't bother to open a word document. I don't know any who use it themselves for
their own work. I know of one person in physics who has his secretary type it
his documents in word, but that is it.
After constant nagging (I don't know if it's just me or also others),
announcements and letters from the rector and such are usually sent in both word
and pdf as well.
All the emails I have with colleagues are either latex documents or text emails
using latex notation. I'm not aware of a journal or conference in my field that
doesn't prefer and greatly encourage latex. Quite a few won't accept anything
else (some of them take PDF so you can bypass that).
Like I mentioned earlier, I like lyx, as it uses a latex backend but enables
WYSIWYG editing of math and such and it is very configurable.
Whenever I do the mistake of playing around with microsoft I get angry and dump
it rather quickly. It got to a point that I took old exercises that I wanted to
update one question in, and after wasting a couple of hours modifying a single
equation I would copy the whole thing to lyx in a quarter of the time and get it
over with.
Only thing I'm not sure yet is presentations. I usually use beamer, but there
are a few things that powerpoint can be nicer, although you have to be very very
very careful as to how you use it so that you don't abuse it.
But again, whenever equations come into play, it's back to latex (or using a
latex plugin for powerpoint)
>
>
> odt is still a problem of course, but personally I refuse to send or
> receive office documents from people in the university, and they
> manage to send PDFs for whatever formatted documents they want to
> send or text otherwise. Very few things actually need to be
> formatted as it turns out (and even when they are, unless it is PDF
> it usually arrives in the wrong format).
>
>
> 2010/7/5 Ori Idan <ori at helicontech.co.il
> <mailto:ori at helicontech.co.il> <mailto:ori at helicontech.co.il
> <mailto:ori at helicontech.co.il>>>
>
>
> So you decided to write in docx format and you expect people to
> review your work?
> I did not even looked at it because of the format.
> If you write it in OpenOffice even if it does not look the best,
> people may help you.
> The issue of how it looks can be fixed later.
> You may even work with simple text file to begin and later on
> transfer it to a good word processor to do the formatting.
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Raz <raziebe at gmail.com
> <mailto:raziebe at gmail.com>
> <mailto:raziebe at gmail.com <mailto:raziebe at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hey Nadav
> When i started i tried to work with open office in
> Hebrew, but i
> simply spent too much time
> trying to fix things, indentation, merging pictures and
> so on.
> also, how can ask for people to send me their comments ?
> I did
> not see
> track changes.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Nadav Har'El
> <nyh at math.technion.ac.il <mailto:nyh at math.technion.ac.il>
> <mailto:nyh at math.technion.ac.il
> <mailto:nyh at math.technion.ac.il>>> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010, Raz wrote about "Re: linux beivrit":
> >> > Open office would have been a much better choice (or lyx,
> or latex or a few
> >> > others)
> >> I tried open format. does not look good at all.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > A lot of things can be said against Open Office (although I
> personally
> > disagree with most of them), but I don't see how you can say
> its output
> > (I assume you don't mean its UI) doesn't look good. What
> didn't you like?
> > The fonts? The default style or layout? Or what?
> >
> > In my experience, you can create beautiful documents in Open
> Office, and it's
> > not harder to do so than with with Microsoft Office, so I
> wonder whater
> > problems you are referring to.
> >
> > Anyway, it's probably too late now for this document
> (converting formats
> > is a harder issue), but it's something to think about for
> your next
> > document :-)
> >
> > --
> > Nadav Har'El | Monday, Jul 5
> 2010, 23 Tammuz 5770
> > nyh at math.technion.ac.il <mailto:nyh at math.technion.ac.il>
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