[Call-for-Action] Indigogo Campaign for Putting "Emma Watson Getting Interviewed for a Tech Job" under CC-by

[Amos Shapira]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1366510848/h28F3DD64/


On 11 July 2014 16:34, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> thanks for clarifying your position. Let me reply.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Dan Yasny <dyasny at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. What makes you feel this is "spam"? I don't see it as unoslicited
>>> bulk E-mail.
>>>
>>
>> Any email sent to a list is "bulk". And I didn't, in any way, solicit
>> this Emma Watson bs, nor your pleas for funding or support.
>>
>
> In this case, I may well as argue that a job offer for a Java Enterprise
> software developer with 5 years of experience in Java sent to this list is
> spam as well, because: 1. It's bulk. 2. I didn't solicit it nor am
> interested in it. But I don't argue that is the case.
>
>
>
>> The very least you could do, out of common courtesy (I really hope you
>> know what that is) is mark your email as offtopic, you know, like everyone
>> in every other LUG does, with the [OT] marker in the subject?
>>
>
> I don't feel it is offtopic. The fictional interview highlights several
> real problems with the software industry. Like I said earlier, some people
> get a knee-jerk reaction to fiction, but fiction is not only often an
> effective tool as writing an essay, but often superior. A lot of ink was
> spilled about how the concept of an Abrahamic God was harmful until this
> delivered a swift deathblow to it -
> http://www.roflcat.com/ceiling-cat-is-watching-you-masturbate .
> Furthermore, there was a significant risk that the USA will get carried
> away into unnecessary paranoia during the late 60s until Sesame Street
> started airing as a show depicting a happy, safe, carefree street where
> children live and have fun together with adults, animated animals and even
> cute furry monsters (!!).
>
> Nevertheless, I am willing to mark it as "[Slightly OT]".
>
>
>> This way I, and anyone else not interested in anything but the technology
>> this list is about, can filter it out, and let you keep spamming those who
>> are for some reason interested.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2. What makes you feel it kills a good and useful mailing list?
>>>
>>
>> As soon as a list(/community/forum/etc) turns into an offtopic promoting
>> medium, the useful and productive community members leave. I've managed
>> enough forums to see that happen.
>>
>>
>
> There may be a more significant risk of this list becoming overly dry, too
> inbred (see
> http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=larry-wall-all-truth-is-gods-truh
> ), and too routine. We need to constantly seek external influences: from
> other operating systems, from other fields of knowledge, from popular and
> not so popular culture, from linguistics, history and humanities, from
> ancient sources, etc.
>
> Otherwise we risk stagnation. My post was not off-topic, just made use of
> some popular culture metaphors. Do you  agree?
>
>
>>
>>> Vague complaints are vague. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Nothing is vague here. This is off topic, your stories aren't
>> interesting, aren't funny and would not belong in a LUG, even if they were.
>>
>
> First of all you're stating these things as facts instead of saying "I
> don't find them interesting, funny, etc." or "IMHO, they are non funny".
> Like someone once told me "In my opinion, it's a fact.". You'll evoke much
> less antagonism if you follow this guideline.
>
> For the record, quite a few people told me that they liked one or more of
> the things I wrote, and if you ask me - if one person besides me enjoyed my
> work - it was a spectacular success:
>
> https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/UdiPzsSGc66
>
> I don't mind writing a study / midrash of the Emma Watson interview story
> for those who are not familiar with its sources and subtleties, but many
> people liked it even without that.
>
> ------------
>
> I hope I made myself clear. Please reply to the list if you have any
> further objections or comments.
>
> Best regards,
>
> -- Shlomi Fish
>
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>
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