[Call-for-Action] Indigogo Campaign for Putting "Emma Watson Getting Interviewed for a Tech Job" under CC-by

[E.S. Rosenberg]

Shlomi,
I really don't want to flame you or anyone else, I am a more junior member
of this list.
However I am on this list to see things about *nix related technology in
Israel and during some periods also looking for jobs (be it for myself or
for friends).
Your e-mail is not "Slightly OT" it's squarely OT, we aren't here to
discuss philosophy, stand up comedy/philosophy or even to discuss "real
problems in the software industry" through fiction.

I could understand it if one of our member actually got turned down or
something like that for bad reason that they may have wanted to blow of
steam (though I think it would be very unwise since any potential future
employer may see the mail too) and started a discussion about some problem
or other (marked as OT) but this is not that.

Though I found the originally posted story mildly entertaining in the end
of the day I am not on this list to be entertained, I have other sources
for that, I am on this list to educate and be educated, to help and be
helped in the area of *nix and *nix related technologies.

I am sure there are lists out there that appreciate the type of posts you
have been making a lot recently, but I doubt it's linux-il, if you do
choose to continue posting please mark as OT.

Regards and שבת שלום,
Eliyahu - אליהו


2014-07-11 10:17 GMT+03:00 Amos Shapira <amos.shapira at gmail.com>:

> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1366510848/h28F3DD64/
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>
> On 11 July 2014 16:34, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Dan,
>>
>> thanks for clarifying your position. Let me reply.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Dan Yasny <dyasny at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1. What makes you feel this is "spam"? I don't see it as unoslicited
>>>> bulk E-mail.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Any email sent to a list is "bulk". And I didn't, in any way, solicit
>>> this Emma Watson bs, nor your pleas for funding or support.
>>>
>>
>> In this case, I may well as argue that a job offer for a Java Enterprise
>> software developer with 5 years of experience in Java sent to this list is
>> spam as well, because: 1. It's bulk. 2. I didn't solicit it nor am
>> interested in it. But I don't argue that is the case.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The very least you could do, out of common courtesy (I really hope you
>>> know what that is) is mark your email as offtopic, you know, like everyone
>>> in every other LUG does, with the [OT] marker in the subject?
>>>
>>
>> I don't feel it is offtopic. The fictional interview highlights several
>> real problems with the software industry. Like I said earlier, some people
>> get a knee-jerk reaction to fiction, but fiction is not only often an
>> effective tool as writing an essay, but often superior. A lot of ink was
>> spilled about how the concept of an Abrahamic God was harmful until this
>> delivered a swift deathblow to it -
>> http://www.roflcat.com/ceiling-cat-is-watching-you-masturbate .
>> Furthermore, there was a significant risk that the USA will get carried
>> away into unnecessary paranoia during the late 60s until Sesame Street
>> started airing as a show depicting a happy, safe, carefree street where
>> children live and have fun together with adults, animated animals and even
>> cute furry monsters (!!).
>>
>> Nevertheless, I am willing to mark it as "[Slightly OT]".
>>
>>
>>> This way I, and anyone else not interested in anything but the
>>> technology this list is about, can filter it out, and let you keep spamming
>>> those who are for some reason interested.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. What makes you feel it kills a good and useful mailing list?
>>>>
>>>
>>> As soon as a list(/community/forum/etc) turns into an offtopic promoting
>>> medium, the useful and productive community members leave. I've managed
>>> enough forums to see that happen.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There may be a more significant risk of this list becoming overly dry,
>> too inbred (see
>> http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=larry-wall-all-truth-is-gods-truh
>> ), and too routine. We need to constantly seek external influences: from
>> other operating systems, from other fields of knowledge, from popular and
>> not so popular culture, from linguistics, history and humanities, from
>> ancient sources, etc.
>>
>> Otherwise we risk stagnation. My post was not off-topic, just made use of
>> some popular culture metaphors. Do you  agree?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Vague complaints are vague. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nothing is vague here. This is off topic, your stories aren't
>>> interesting, aren't funny and would not belong in a LUG, even if they were.
>>>
>>
>> First of all you're stating these things as facts instead of saying "I
>> don't find them interesting, funny, etc." or "IMHO, they are non funny".
>> Like someone once told me "In my opinion, it's a fact.". You'll evoke much
>> less antagonism if you follow this guideline.
>>
>> For the record, quite a few people told me that they liked one or more of
>> the things I wrote, and if you ask me - if one person besides me enjoyed my
>> work - it was a spectacular success:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/UdiPzsSGc66
>>
>> I don't mind writing a study / midrash of the Emma Watson interview story
>> for those who are not familiar with its sources and subtleties, but many
>> people liked it even without that.
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> I hope I made myself clear. Please reply to the list if you have any
>> further objections or comments.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -- Shlomi Fish
>>
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>>
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>>
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