AGAIN, UGLY OFFTOPIC (Re: Weird 'free' output)

[Omer Zak]

As far as I remember, Diego did send the request to the list. So Ori
Idan could not really ignore Diego's E-mail. Doing so could have been
interpreted as admission of guilt (in the Court of Public Opinion).

I agree that failing to prove a point is different from proving the
opposite point.
However, in more enlightened times, the courts in Israel used to work
under the principle that a person is presumed to be innocent until
proven otherwise.
This is equivalent to: you failed to prove a point, so we assume the
opposite point when we need to make decisions.

Regrettably, the courts have not been following this principle in the
case of Tair Rada's murder and presumably in other cases.

I am old fashioned so I happen to prefer the traditional presumption of
innocence, as long as is not abused by lawyers who nitpick the meaning
of words in laws.



On Sun, 2021-05-09 at 20:02 +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> I'm not sure my opinion is worth more than anyone else, except I _am_
> one of the admins.
> 
> Diego: +1 for not sending your mail to the list. -1 for not CCing the
> actual admins, and another one for talking for the community.
> 
> Ori: -1 for making this part of the thread public. If I may be so
> bold as to make a suggestion, simply ignoring Diego's mail would have
> been smarter.
> 
> Shay: As far as I know, Nevo does not have police complaints, nor
> even unpublished verdicts. Even if a complaint was filed, it wouldn't
> have shown up. Feel free to correct me in private.
> 
> Michael: +1 agree. I believe this list should judge people based on
> their behavior on or in relation to this list
> 
> Omer: As far as I can tell, Diego didn't send the request to the list
> (at least, I didn't get it on the list). It may well have been
> unintentional, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt
> here. Also, please note that failing to prove a point is not the same
> as proving the opposite point. You are free to believe whatever you
> like, but that is still your belief, not established facts.
> 
> Someone identifying as linux.il: -5 for failing to distinguish
> between a SCSI cable and a differential SCSI cable. I'm really
> disappointed. From you, of all people, I expected better, whoever you
> are.
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/05/2021 21:48, Ori Idan wrote:
> > Sorry, I am not a convicted criminal.
> > If you believe what is written in Yediot, that is your problem.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Ori Idan CEO Helicon Books
> > http://www.heliconbooks.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 9:21 PM Diego Iastrubni <diegoiast at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > Ori,
> > > 
> > > You are not welcome here. Please unsubscribe. 
> > > 
> > > Admins - please remove this convicted criminal from this list.
> > > This man is a stain on our community. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:53 PM Ori Idan <ori at heliconbooks.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Note that Linux tries to use available memory for cache, that
> > > > is why free memory seems small.
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Ori Idan CEO Helicon Books
> > > > http://www.heliconbooks.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 2:48 PM linux.il <linux.il at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Omer, thank you!
> > > > > Is it related to the "Inactive" count from /proc/meminfo?
> > > > > I used to think that available=free+cache+buffers...
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 1:19 PM Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il> wrote:
> > > > > > From man free:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > available
> > > > > >               Estimation of how much memory is available
> > > > > > for starting
> > > > > > new applications, without swapping. Unlike the data
> > > > > > provided  by
> > > > > >               the  cache  or free fields, this field takes
> > > > > > into account
> > > > > > page cache and also that not all reclaimable memory slabs
> > > > > > will
> > > > > >               be reclaimed due to items being in use
> > > > > > (MemAvailable in
> > > > > > /proc/meminfo, available on kernels 3.14,  emulated  on 
> > > > > > kernels
> > > > > >               2.6.27+, otherwise the same as free)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 2021-05-04 at 13:07 +0300, linux.il wrote:
> > > > > > > "Available" output seems weird, or I'm missing something?
> > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > TIA, Vitaly
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > free -m
> > > > > > >               total        used        free      shared 
> > > > > > buff/cache  
> > > > > > > available
> > > > > > > Mem:          31654       29883         937           1 
> > > > > >        832  
> > > > > > >     27675
> > > > > > > Swap:             0           0           0

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