CORRECTION (Re: AGAIN, UGLY OFFTOPIC (Re: Weird 'free' output))
Omer Zak
w1 at zak.co.il
Sun May 9 20:51:22 IDT 2021
After sending the E-mail message reproduced below, I checked the
mailing list archives and did not find there Diego's E-mail.
So he apparently limited his E-mail message's distribution to his
victim and to the mailing list's administrators.
So my memory failed me in this case.
However, I believe that Ori did the right thing by letting the Linux-IL
mailing list members know that some people want to unsubscribe him from
this mailing list due to an indictment.
We, the mailing list participants - not only the administrators - have
the right to express our opinion about whether we want to remove people
who have been indicted, to limit this action to convicted criminals, or
to allow even prisoners to participate (as part of preparing for their
future as productive members of society).
As for me, I wouldn't want to be part of a group which excludes members
based solely upon complaints or indictments, a group which ignores the
possibility of people having been framed by their
business/political/romantic competitors.
On Sun, 2021-05-09 at 20:28 +0300, Omer Zak wrote:
> As far as I remember, Diego did send the request to the list. So Ori
> Idan could not really ignore Diego's E-mail. Doing so could have been
> interpreted as admission of guilt (in the Court of Public Opinion).
>
> I agree that failing to prove a point is different from proving the
> opposite point.
> However, in more enlightened times, the courts in Israel used to work
> under the principle that a person is presumed to be innocent until
> proven otherwise.
> This is equivalent to: you failed to prove a point, so we assume the
> opposite point when we need to make decisions.
>
> Regrettably, the courts have not been following this principle in the
> case of Tair Rada's murder and presumably in other cases.
>
> I am old fashioned so I happen to prefer the traditional presumption
> of
> innocence, as long as is not abused by lawyers who nitpick the
> meaning
> of words in laws.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2021-05-09 at 20:02 +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> > I'm not sure my opinion is worth more than anyone else, except I
> > _am_
> > one of the admins.
> >
> > Diego: +1 for not sending your mail to the list. -1 for not CCing
> > the
> > actual admins, and another one for talking for the community.
> >
> > Ori: -1 for making this part of the thread public. If I may be so
> > bold as to make a suggestion, simply ignoring Diego's mail would
> > have
> > been smarter.
> >
> > Shay: As far as I know, Nevo does not have police complaints, nor
> > even unpublished verdicts. Even if a complaint was filed, it
> > wouldn't
> > have shown up. Feel free to correct me in private.
> >
> > Michael: +1 agree. I believe this list should judge people based on
> > their behavior on or in relation to this list
> >
> > Omer: As far as I can tell, Diego didn't send the request to the
> > list
> > (at least, I didn't get it on the list). It may well have been
> > unintentional, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt
> > here. Also, please note that failing to prove a point is not the
> > same
> > as proving the opposite point. You are free to believe whatever you
> > like, but that is still your belief, not established facts.
> >
> > Someone identifying as linux.il: -5 for failing to distinguish
> > between a SCSI cable and a differential SCSI cable. I'm really
> > disappointed. From you, of all people, I expected better, whoever
> > you
> > are.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/05/2021 21:48, Ori Idan wrote:
> > > Sorry, I am not a convicted criminal.
> > > If you believe what is written in Yediot, that is your problem.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ori Idan CEO Helicon Books
> > > http://www.heliconbooks.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 9:21 PM Diego Iastrubni <
> > > diegoiast at gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Ori,
> > > >
> > > > You are not welcome here. Please unsubscribe.
> > > >
> > > > Admins - please remove this convicted criminal from this list.
> > > > This man is a stain on our community.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:53 PM Ori Idan <ori at heliconbooks.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Note that Linux tries to use available memory for cache, that
> > > > > is why free memory seems small.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ori Idan CEO Helicon Books
> > > > > http://www.heliconbooks.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 2:48 PM linux.il <linux.il at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Omer, thank you!
> > > > > > Is it related to the "Inactive" count from /proc/meminfo?
> > > > > > I used to think that available=free+cache+buffers...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 1:19 PM Omer Zak <w1 at zak.co.il>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > From man free:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > available
> > > > > > > Estimation of how much memory is available
> > > > > > > for starting
> > > > > > > new applications, without swapping. Unlike the data
> > > > > > > provided by
> > > > > > > the cache or free fields, this field
> > > > > > > takes
> > > > > > > into account
> > > > > > > page cache and also that not all reclaimable memory slabs
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > be reclaimed due to items being in use
> > > > > > > (MemAvailable in
> > > > > > > /proc/meminfo, available on kernels 3.14, emulated on
> > > > > > > kernels
> > > > > > > 2.6.27+, otherwise the same as free)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 2021-05-04 at 13:07 +0300, linux.il wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Available" output seems weird, or I'm missing
> > > > > > > > something?
> > > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TIA, Vitaly
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > free -m
> > > > > > > > total used free shared
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > buff/cache
> > > > > > > > available
> > > > > > > > Mem: 31654 29883 937 1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 832
> > > > > > > > 27675
> > > > > > > > Swap: 0 0 0
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